[Loxie]

To turn this around, given so many seem to have faith in one of the oldest still standing nylons around, why do people not use any of the other more modern leader/tippet materials?

Personally, although conversely, I use fluorocarbon as a leader for all my sea lure fishing (Bass/Polllock/Coalies/Wrasse) & CoPolymer for Trout I just can’t get the confidence to use them for Salmon/Sea Trout.
Ultimately if I lose a decent Bass I know it’s likely another will come along before the end of the Season, but every migratory fish hooked is so precious that I don’t want to be worrying about the final connection between fly line & fly.
Confidence is my raison.

I use fluoro for 80% plus of my salmon fishing tippets. I tailor each leader set up to the style of fishing I do and often set up 4 rods for fishing in different ways, each tailored to a specific job. Overall fluoro tippets are better but they do not work in every application. Maxima is OK and has some useful qualities in some areas but its a very old idea in a modern world.

 

[tcorfey]

Well you can count me in on the Maxima Ultragreen for tippet usually 10 for summer, 12 for winter and 17 if I know there are big kings around. I keep a spool of flourocarbon tippet in my bag as a backup because it will never de-grade but I don't like to use it for the same reason. The three guides I have used all swear by Ultragreen also.

 

[RUSH]

To turn this around, given so many seem to have faith in one of the oldest still standing nylons around, why do people not use any of the other more modern leader/tippet materials?

Personally, although conversely, I use fluorocarbon as a leader for all my sea lure fishing (Bass/Polllock/Coalies/Wrasse) & CoPolymer for Trout I just can’t get the confidence to use them for Salmon/Sea Trout.
Ultimately if I lose a decent Bass I know it’s likely another will come along before the end of the Season, but every migratory fish hooked is so precious that I don’t want to be worrying about the final connection between fly line & fly.
Confidence is my raison.

I was given a couple of spools of Daiwa super shinobi copolymer 18lb which had the diameter of 12lb maxima I really liked it but by the time I was given them Daiwa had stopped making it so I just started using maxima again when I ran out of the super shinobi

 

[Rrrr]

I use flurocarbon for all my stillwater fishing (trout) but the price is getting ridiculous. Maxima do a decent fluro i think 180m spool I always grab a few when they are on offer, generally use the fulling mill masterclass stuff which I've found to be very good, but again pricey

Im the same and wouldnt use anything else but fluro for stillwater fishing. The takes drop considerably when using mono i rekon. I even use it for dries so it dosent sit on the surface as they spot it a mile off and turn away.
I like the trielene stuff in the gold box, its not the thinnest but its abit stiffer for indicator fishing to avoid tangles.

 

[rubberwellie]

I use fluoro for 80% plus of my salmon fishing tippets. I tailor each leader set up to the style of fishing I do and often set up 4 rods for fishing in different ways, each tailored to a specific job. Overall fluoro tippets are better but they do not work in every application. Maxima is OK and has some useful qualities in some areas but its a very old idea in a modern world.

For which applications are you using fluorocarbon?

 

[ozzyian]

Maxima - £4 per 100m, 'ZxyyXnoN XP4 Nano Fluorocarbon' (designed in Germany and made in Japan, jointly developed with NASA*) - £19 per 50 meters.

Salmon anglers reasoning process: Hmmm, clearly the ZxyyXnoN XP4 is far better, quite annoying that it's 10 times more expensive but I suppose it IS better. Since I just coughed up £1000 for a rod and spend £150 per day on the fishing I suppose it would be a false economy not to buy it. Besides, must be really good if I can't pronounce it.


* not that NASA, a different one

 

[Lewiswearfisher]

Im the same and wouldnt use anything else but fluro for stillwater fishing. The takes drop considerably when using mono i rekon. I even use it for dries so it dosent sit on the surface as they spot it a mile off and turn away.
I like the trielene stuff in the gold box, its not the thinnest but its abit stiffer for indicator fishing to avoid tangles.

Agreed mate, I "mud" down the leader to take any flash away from it, great fun with shipmans buzzers left totally static. Never tried the trilene stuff but have seen it, will grab some if it's decently priced,I generally fish 8lbs fluro for indicator fishing but bump it up to 10lbs if fishing a little deeper with a pair of lures, intermediate line olive apps worm on the dropper and a humongous black and gold on the point. A deadly combination 👍🎣

 

[Occasional salmon fisher]

Have started using clear maxima for my trout fishing rather than fluorocarbon. Have 100 m spools from 10 to 3 lbs bs. Less prone to sudden breakages, tangles etc and not noticed any more rejections by trout. A lot cheaper as well !
Normally Maxima Chameleon for salmon.

 

[Occasional salmon fisher]

Maxima - £4 per 100m, 'ZxyyXnoN XP4 Nano Fluorocarbon' (designed in Germany and made in Japan, jointly developed with NASA*) - £19 per 50 meters.

Salmon anglers reasoning process: Hmmm, clearly the ZxyyXnoN XP4 is far better, quite annoying that it's 10 times more expensive but I suppose it IS better. Since I just coughed up £1000 for a rod and spend £150 per day on the fishing I suppose it would be a false economy not to buy it. Besides, must be really good if I can't pronounce it.


* not that NASA, a different one

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[ozzyian]

If I took 2 would it increase the weight of my correspondence?

 

[Occasional salmon fisher]

If I took 2 would it increase the weight of my correspondence?

Absolutely, you would be marked as AAAAA target market (bombarded relentlessly) by Mighty Corporation and ..... carefully selected partners and third parties.

 

[Rrrr]

Agreed mate, I "mud" down the leader to take any flash away from it, great fun with shipmans buzzers left totally static. Never tried the trilene stuff but have seen it, will grab some if it's decently priced,I generally fish 8lbs fluro for indicator fishing but bump it up to 10lbs if fishing a little deeper with a pair of lures, intermediate line olive apps worm on the dropper and a humongous black and gold on the point. A deadly combination 👍🎣

Mudding the leader makes a huge diffrence when fishing emergers i rekon. You see people fishing them that dont do it and the fish will cruise up then turn as soon as they spot it.
I enjoy fishing cds or foam top hat emergers static. Only issue is that with cdcs, i take my eyes off them and forget where they are 😂

 

[Lewiswearfisher]

Mudding the leader makes a huge diffrence when fishing emergers i rekon. You see people fishing them that dont do it and the fish will cruise up then turn as soon as they spot it.
I enjoy fishing cds or foam top hat emergers static. Only issue is that with cdcs, i take my eyes off them and forget where they are 😂

Those top hats are absolutely deadly in a little bit of ripple I once had 16 in about an hour or so fishing no more than a couple of rod lengths at a local still water the pattern was a wicked white buzzer top hat probably a size 16 with a tiny bit of gink just on the top hat so it sat right in the surface film. Crazy sport when there on

 

[Loxie]

For which applications are you using fluorocarbon?

All sunk line fishing I use fluoro from the fly line. For wet fly I use a nylon tapered leader then a fluoro tippet. If I could ever be bothered/was desperate enough I would use it for nymphing too.

 

[Tangled]

Could those preferring fluorocarbon for swinging salmon flies please explain the advantage over nylon?

 

[Rrrr]

Those top hats are absolutely deadly in a little bit of ripple I once had 16 in about an hour or so fishing no more than a couple of rod lengths at a local still water the pattern was a wicked white buzzer top hat probably a size 16 with a tiny bit of gink just on the top hat so it sat right in the surface film. Crazy sport when there on

Yea, knitsley mill on a summer evening can be crazy with emergers. Fish a chuck when they really get on it.

 

[ozzyian]

Absolutely, you would be marked as AAAAA target market (bombarded relentlessly) by Mighty Corporation and ..... carefully selected partners and third parties.

Before we go further please can you tell me how carefully you have selected the 3rd parties who would now wish to communicate with me?

On a side note, as it happens I personally know the global distribution director for ZxyyXnoN products and he has let me acquire several 1000m spools of XP4 in various breaking strains. I would be very happy to run off 50m for you for £12.50 or a full 100m for the same price as the factory 50m spools. I would need to respool them on old spools though. Could we do some sort of deal involving your keyboard?

 

[Rennie]

Tangled, I think there are times when clarity of leader materials really matter and as such I'll always take the opportunity to use clear tippet materials. I also like the sink rate of fluro carbons, I think it prevents a flee skating especially in glassy pool tails and keeps the flee sub surface better than Maxima. I'll state right now, I rarely if ever at all use a full fluro leader, except sometimes with full Hover and Inty. heads. I usually have a 10ft tapered mono leader or a 10ft poly as the butt part of my leader., I do like a little stretch in my leader set up.
Now also I like Seaguar and that affords me the opportunity to get a heavier breaking strain for a given diameter when I consider my tippet. However when I drop to switch rods and the smallest of flee's I consider the clarity and the smaller diameter of Seaguar for a given breaking strain a positive advantage. I can go up in diameter to gain breaking strain, or down to create more mobility for the flee with a finer diameter.
I like Fluro's inherent stiffness and its increased turn over compared to Maxima too
I'll also say this, I use small plaggy tubes most of the time now and the sink rate of fluro balances the plaggy tubes well and I find they'll fish right from the get go on touchdown.
I do concede Fluro can be awkward to knot and use, but that's down to the Angler to learn and adapt, those who don't, well it's their loss because now I've learnt how to use Seaguar or similar I don't have any problems at all. I recall similar happening when Drennan Double Strength and Diawa Super Shinobi first became available, there were those who just couldn't adapt to it!.
Before you say, no I'm not happy with the cost of Fluro at all, but there again who is?, but I'd never buy cheap just for the sake of it. Usually one 6ft tippet length will last me a day easily. A 50m spool will like as not see me out a season. One could argue good old Fog Perlon is cheap, it's thicker and certainly not clear either, but I don't see Anglers rushing to use it. I constantly hear Salmon aren't leader shy trotted out all the time, but how many of us ever try any thing different to find out. We moved away from Horse Hair and Gut casts for a reason!.
I'll take every advantage I can, when ever and however I can get it. Salmon are getting ever scarcer and harder to find so I'll do what I can to catch one.
I do also like the Hardy Mach. Fluro and I've just bought some more now it's discontinued and getting hard to get, the Fulling Mill stuff too I've found good. I've used Maxima for years n years in my Coarse Fishing and don't have a problem with it at all, my preference is however for Ultra Green over Chameleon and sorry to say I never got on with the clear!.
But for now any way, my reach for tippet will be Seaguar, well at least come next season it will any way, because I feel it just offers that bit more over a bog std. tippet material, which Maxima is!
Pedro.

 

[Tangled]

Thanks for that.

For my part I'd say that there are plenty of clear nylons, including Maxima. If you want thin line/lb BS the copolymers (nylon) are equally clear and equally thin. They're also less expensive and far stronger (much higher shock strength/lb BS).

Sink rate is really the only differentiator but I can't see when that would ever come into play swinging salmon flies. If you need to get the fly down you use weighted flies and sinking tips.

I hadn't thought about the 'glassy pool, light fly' situation, I can see some potential there and I'll give it a go next time I encounter it. I've got £70 worth of Seaguar waiting for an opportunity .

 

[Occasional salmon fisher]

Before we go further please can you tell me how carefully you have selected the 3rd parties who would now wish to communicate with me?

On a side note, as it happens I personally know the global distribution director for ZxyyXnoN products and he has let me acquire several 1000m spools of XP4 in various breaking strains. I would be very happy to run off 50m for you for £12.50 or a full 100m for the same price as the factory 50m spools. I would need to respool them on old spools though. Could we do some sort of deal involving your keyboard?

Confidential information but rest assured very carefully selected, they have never failed to pay for customer details (in Bitcoin of course).

With regards to the keyboardS that you intend to buy, Mighty Corporation can't accept products in kind but a further 10% discount might be possible if you pay cash in a pub car park of their choosing.