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A beginners guide to salmon guesstimates

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#1 · (Edited)
Quite a topical issue at the moment.

But how do we estimate salmon population trends from smolt outputs and salmon returnees. Here's a rough guide from the statistical side of the fence (;) as ever, not the fisheries science side). Actual fisheries scientists are welcome to chip in to correct anything :cool:

First you need to guess how many smolts go out from "Your River". This can be various methods from voodoo economics guesswork, electrofishing, to fixed trapping (restricted burn or lade) or rotary screw trap.

Lets say we use mark-recapture rotary trapping. So you catch some smolts then mark them so you will spot them if and when count them again. Release them upstream (when and how far up etc. introduces new variables that will probably affect the outcome) . Then the proportion of marked fish recaptured in the next batch gives an assessment used to estimate the actual numbers passing. Assuming that you correct for handling etc. mortality (which can also vary a lot depending on conditions) and assume (in the case of fixed traps) that the number not counted is proportionately similar always (which it's not).

Most appear to assume the factors that caused them to be caught is constant and invariate. What if the river comes up? What if the river goes down, do smolt migration routes change day to day. What about the propensity for human error? How do electrofishing results vary week on week for example if you were to re-run the experiments?

If you do the same assessment a few days later do you get the same result? Is this a field duplicate or a replicate or what? Does it pass stats tests?

Do you then average all the results? If so how do we avoid year on year apples and oranges if using different size databases?

All the while, and at just about every stage, apply no form or proper QA-QC (quality assurance-quality control) to the assessment procedure and methodology.

As a final comment about smolt outputs, be cautious about the marine mortality data from the River N Esk, comparing the pre-1981 data with the post 1981 data. This is because of "apples and oranges" stats. The pre-1981 data used a different methodology to the post 1981 data and hence the massive decline jumped on by the SCS may be reflect the change in methodologies. This graph, which is often used by folk to demonstrate a decline, in reality IMHO it just shows two different populations and IGNORES more recent data (post-2002 to 2009, because that reversed the trend)





More GIGO, perhaps.

Righto that's the easy bit.

You now proudly own some data points telling you how many smolts you estimate to have produced from the whole river on the basis of incredibly limited sampling and lots of thumb sucks and dodgy estimation / extrapolation.

Is it garbage? Is it worth using? Should it come with a Public Health Warning? Is the annual variance shocking? What about the standard deviation? How confident are you that it actually represents anything at all?

How do your errors change over time?

Next? Well now you "know" how many smolts you produced in one year, that's the starting point.

So then you have to guess how many will be females, how many will return as grilse the next year, or as MSW fish the following year (and presumably you will be able to differentiate them from that years grilse returners :rolleyes:)

In the old days you just guessed the numbers caught in the nets nearby, GUESSTIMATED how many of those were bound for Your River, and GUESSTIMATED an exploitation rate to back-calculate the number of returners.

Then all you need to do is calculate the number of returners and compare it to the number of smolts you sent out. This gives you the marine survival rate.

Simples, right?

Err, funnily enough it's not.

Next say you just check the number of returners to Your River, with a counter (if you're lucky, and subject to all the massive caveats of counter data such as whatever happens downstream of the counter - i.e. could be Garbage too). Failing that you guess by taking the rod catch and guessing an exploitation rate, and guess an undeclared catch rate to finally guess how many salmon came back.

Then you take the guess of smolts out and compare with the guess of salmon in, and work out the guess of marine mortality on the basis of those two main guesses and a whole load more minor guesses.

Simples, still, yes:confused:

Bear in mind that you really do need to ignore any effect of straying (which may vary year-to-year), undeclared catch (ditto) change in exploitation rate (ditto) change in fishing effort (ditto) before you do these super-accurate guesstimates.

Of the two, straying may be the most important.

For both the N Esk and Girnock burn experiments of MSS, tagged smolts were recorded when they were caught as returning adults.

Most importantly, a bare minimum 30+% of all these had strayed from their natal river. They were recorded from Tay to Solway! That's just those that were actually recorded (others may have been eaten surreptitiously). Any outwith Scotland were less likely to be recorded at all. Now if this amount varies year on year, or decade to decade, anyone with any sense can see the actual marine mortality GUESSTIMATE is fundamentally and mortally flawed. The original document this is contained in is quoted here http://www.salmonfishingforum.com/forums/thread19531-5.html post#41.

As a final comment, please be aware of those in the SCS quoting the marine mortality data from the River Bush as though it is science fact. They seem to like using it because it is the most dramatic to support their case (i.e. an apparent huge decline in returners, at odds to actual real data)

The "Bush Guesstimate" appears to be based on a fixed constant assumption of 30% exploitation rate (ER) and other assumptions (according to ICES WGNAS 2014 report at least :rolleyes: ) regardless of what the actual ER was.

Other means of assessing estimates of marine mortality may be similarly questionable.

It's called wagging the dog.

However, there are other estimates available for what happens at sea. This is all the local data for our nearby countries producing an estimated post-smolt mortality rate:


(figure 2.3.9.2 of ICES WGNAS 2014 Report)

Interested observers will note that the global average fluctuates from 1970 to present around the average, being 5-15%. The Irish example most quoted by certain sectors is in red and is highly anomalous compared to the rest. One wonders why?

Time for another sea-change, perhaps?
 

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#3 ·
An interesting piece Seeking.
I am of the opinion that even with all the potential variances, these studies are still very worth while and the longer they are done with the same mechanism the better the information regarding trends become.

Where it can come unstuck is when politics becomes involved in the mix.

That's why I was so disappointed with the Frome study, as it seemed to have the capacity to give some great insight, and then seems to fall at the last hurdle.

There is probably a huge potential to get different smolt numbers each year in the main river traps, but sufficient traps in sufficient feeder streams would probably give a far better constant.


One of the thoughts that went through my head after looking at a lot of annual return figures from counters, is that sometimes there is a bad year or even a few.

However, even with these bad years the rivers come back strong almost immediately.

Whilst there may again be multiple variances, the fact that the rivers recover almost immediately, may well indicate that the years of the lowest returns are still above the minimum spawning numbers for maximum return. (they could even be well above, though nobody would want to find the actual number)

The relevance of this being, that we are continually told we need release all fish to increase the number of returning fish, where as most rivers where returning fish are counted, are well above these low return years.

Im sure there would be merit in studying this, but with the current political agendas, I cant envisage it happening soon.

Cheers

Mows
 
#8 ·
They cant have it for the last 3 years Loxie.
Much as they may have had good data for the 3 or 4 years before of smolts leaving to sea.
They don't have any actual fish return numbers for them returning for the last 3 years.

Cheers

Mows
They have been doing this for years and years, they must have some usable data. They make bold claims about increased mortality at sea. Why don't they support these claims with the evidence they have? It just doesn't compute. Its a bit like MSS saying numbers of returning adults to the N. Esk have been declining for 20 years and not publishing the results from the Logie counter to back it up, as a hypothetical example.
 
#11 ·
SA beginner's Guide



Thank you for this interesting summary of the techniques currently in use in the northwestern states of the USA. Unfortunately there are very few of those devices in use in the UK and their operations are inconsistent in statistical terms.

While the guide is more advanced in terms of volume, Seeking's summary is broadly consistent with the text and his statements on the limitations in the methodologies are still mathematically valid (I write as an economist and mathematician who amongst other things teaches complex decision making) and noted by the authors. Indeed, at page 255 the report admits that a fundamental problem in that trap accuracy will be lowest when migration volumes are highest. There's no perfect way of doing this, and all the smart equations and regression analysis does not take you away from the basic business of estimation. Indeed the words estimate, extrapolate and back-calculation feature frequently throughout the text. You can apply lots of statistical methodology to any problem of this sort, but what you wind up with is still an estimate.

What Seeking is appealing for - and I judged that he made it pretty plain - is a greater effort to generate more data from more sites, and to apply greater statistical discipline to its quality and reliability. In my relatively short time observing the salmon management scene I have observed an extraordinary tendency towards shooting from the hip on the basis of statistics that would fail even the most basic of quality tests. Indeed, much of the 'mainstream opinion' on salmon conservation suffers from that limitation: people grab 'facts' selectively, then extend them far beyond their validity.

it doesn't matter whether you love or loathe Seeking, and often he deliberately stirs things up. But he earns his living from his skills and experience in analysing highly complex data, and corporations invest enormous sums on the basis of his conclusions. Accordingly I suggest that there is merit in taking the personality out of the argument and stripping off the barbs, and then reading the core of his message very carefully.
 
#12 ·
Hi MCX, it is very difficult to arrive at a definitive conclusion when dealing with field biology, we are therefore, almost always dealing with estimates.

There are actually quite a lot of rotary screw traps in Scotland, three belonging to the Spey which we have used on an annual basis to gather data during the smolt migration. Sometimes the primary objective is to try and quantify the size of the run; on other occasions it may be to collect biological data on the characteristics of the run. In sequential years twin traps were operated in the lower reaches of our largest tributary with the primary aim of quantification. One year 14,000 salmon smolts were trapped, second year less than 5,000. Trap efficiency estimates were established each year through the use of multiple mark/recapture trials allowing estimates of the smolt run to be generated with confidence limits. The estimate of the smolt run in year two was only 54% of year one although cls were wider.

Even generating smolt production estimates per metre sq wetted area is subject to error due to the difficulties associated with measuring wetted area. Despite that the data generated were exceptionally useful and I'm sure reflective of the actual situation. I'd go as far as saying the operation of the traps was according to best practice, indeed the operation was as per the protocols in the manual quoted.

A lot of fisheries data has been generated in this way. Does that mean it is useless? IMHO, no. Seeking once asked me if we do QA checks on our electrofishing data, i.e. by replicating surveys in the same site regularly. Well we don't, variations will always occur due to a wide range of factors, although efficacy of surveys can and should be assessed. Hence electrofishing data has most value when you have a long dataset collected to a consistent protocol. Of course even with the best training the efficiency of survey teams will vary depending on the personal or equipment involved and/or the field conditions. This manual describes current best practice in Scotland http://www.gov.scot/resource/doc/295194/0096726.pdf .

The resources required to complete enough of the gold standard multiple run surveys on a large river are not available to most, therefore, we do a lot of single run surveys with calibrations from multiple run surveys if required. When you know the water this type of survey is sufficient to establish trends. A consistent feature this year across all areas surveyed on my river has been increased fry and reduced parr densities, not unexpected given the environmental conditions pertaining.

I do accept Seeking's criticism about inadequate statistical analysis, something I have tried to address this year, but field biology is not an exact science!

NG
 
#15 · (Edited)
Thanks for that more detailed contribution. It's good to see this kind of work going on. Don't get me wrong from the OP - the more data the better.

Of course many natural sciences are inexact and never result in definitive conclusions. Natural scientists need to always be aware of that and couch advice and views to laymen with cautions attached.

Unfortunately, many who may use this science don't always have the same intention or motive as us.

Perhaps that's where we need to spend more time educating communicators and paid lobbyists so they do not speak unrealistically :D

Managing people's expectations (and we anglers are perhaps one of the toughest customers available) is possibly the most important bit as the old cartoon reminds:



IMHO Dodgy data based on dodgy premise and massive guestimates should never be presented as "proof" of anything other than how little we know.

In fairness, our discussion about QA-QC (quality assurance-quality control) was not just about statistical interpretations, vitally important though they are. It's also about making the primary data as valid as possible before using it, or even importing it into a model.

In simpler fields scientists deal with more or less fixed distributions that will not change year on year, but the outputs will often change hugely depending on density of sampling etc.

In natural open systems such as fish, your highly-valuable little particles can move about a fair bit and that will vary massively with environmental variation.

IMHO the trapping data on the Girnock burn is again instructive: whilst it seems able to produce only 2,000-3,000 smolts on average every year there is also a highly variable amount of parr that leave too (500-1,800pa on average). In it's simplest interpretation the smolt-parr relationship seems neither proportional nor inversely proportional. They are off somewhere else to rear for whatever variable reason, and if you are e.g. electrofishing at the same time your results will vary year on year depending. More confounding variables to keep you on your toes.

It was interesting to hear how even your little snippets above show massive variation and indicate all may not be fine if the Spey cannot always convert the fry to parr…

It's good to hear there are some good long-term smolt monitoring programmes underway in Scotland - to my mind this is the one area where we have far too little information about, especially given it's proportionately most valuable influence given the bottleneck we face (see the "to scale" population pyramid below), and the fact that impacts on our rivers is probably far and away the most important limiting factor to salmon distribution and abundance, viz:



But that also makes it by far the hardest piece in the jigsaw to measure even partly accurately!

And back to the paper that Ness Glen kindly posted above (http://www.stateofthesalmon.org/fieldprotocols/downloads/SFPH_p8.pdf ) here are some salient points highlighting some of the confounding variables:

Nevertheless, with careful planning, reasonably accurate production estimates have been obtained when sixth-order and larger systems have been trapped…

Precision of the estimates increases with higher trap efficiency (i.e., proportion of migrants captured); therefore, it is generally better to select sites where a higher proportion of the total flow can be screened through the trap…

Another consideration when selecting watersheds (or catchment basins) is the stream hydrograph. Flow is dependent on such variables as landform, geology, land cover, climate, and precipitation patterns, which of course cannot be controlled. The effect of these factors on the stream discharge needs to be considered when attempting to estimate total freshwater production. Streams and rivers exhibiting a flashy hydrograph are very difficult to trap due to high fluctuations in flow conditions and debris loads. Because trap efficiency and migration rates often change dramatically with discharge, it is very difficult to estimate migration accurately. Furthermore, traps may become difficult to access safely without prior planning and preparation…

If the monitoring objective is to measure total abundance within a watershed, the trap should be placed as low in the watershed as is practicable. It is vital to take into account the life history and in-river migration patterns of your target species. Species exhibiting a stream-type life history pattern, such as coho salmon and steelhead, often migrate within basin and rear away from their natal streams; therefore, the smolt production measured from a tributary trap may represent a variable proportion of the progeny from the adults that spawned upstream of the trap…Care must be taken in interpreting the results, however, since improved smolt production could be the result of parr movement into the enhanced tributary for rearing rather than increased egg-to-smolt survival… [;)note however that "straying" does not appear to be a particularly popular subject in British salmon research]

To achieve the highest possible trap efficiency, it is usually best to select a site where a relatively high proportion of the total flow can be screened through the trap. The requirement for adequate velocity, depth, and trap efficiency usually argues for placing the trap in the thalweg of the channel. Consideration must be given, however, to the number and behavior of migrants captured. The investigator may choose to operate the trap in a slightly less advantageous position to avoid causing stress or predation in the live well by capturing and holding too many migrants. In addition, a substantial proportion of the migrants from some species/age-classes may migrate along the channel margins…

Operation of the traveling screen traps is similar to the scoop trap. Because these traps must operate during high streamflows, there is always a risk that the traps will become jammed with debris. At these times, traps require constant or frequent attention to minimize potential mortalities and to ensure that traps are functioning properly. Still, there may be times when traveling screen traps stop rotating while no one is on-site…

When anesthetizing fish, it is important to remember that water temperature, anesthetic concentration, and fish density and size can all increase the stress load on the fish. Care needs to be taken so that no more fish are anesthetized at one time than can be safely processed. This will vary with the experience of the sampler and the amount of information being collected. Fewer fish should be anesthetized at one time as water temperature increases, since higher temperatures generally increase the effectiveness of the anesthetic as well as handling stress on the fish. Anesthetic water should be regularly changed to keep it cool and well oxygenated. Once all fish are processed, the recaptured marked fish and fish not needed for trap efficiency experiments are released far enough downstream to minimize the potential for recapture…

Groups of marked fish representing each targeted species and age-/size-class are released upstream of the trap over the period of their migration. The release point selected should be far enough upstream to provide for a similar distribution across the channel compared to unmarked fish (at least 2 pool/riffle sequences), but not so far upstream that predation on marked fish is substantial. Each group of marked fish should be released evenly across the river to avoid biasing their lateral distribution. To reduce predation subsequent to recapture, marked fish should be released during the time strata that they migrate…

Flow is the dominant factor affecting downstream migrant trapping operations in any system. It affects trapping efficiency and migration rates since high flows often stimulate fish to migrate; therefore, minimal trap efficiencies may occur at the same time that peak flow events are causing migration rates to increase.

Visibility, fish size, and noise are other factors that affect trapping efficiency. Larger downstream migrants, especially steelhead and cutthroat trout, may be able to avoid capture when the trap is visible by swimming around the trap or back out the mouth of the trap, especially when velocities are low. … Behavior may also be important. Some species may primarily migrate down the thalweg of the channel, whereas a higher proportion of others may use the channel margins. Noise created by the trap causes an avoidance response…


Of course, human actions also affect trap efficiency. On larger streams and rivers, researchers may be forced to move the trap away from the thalweg during high-flow events to avoid debris entrainment and subsequent trap damage as well as for safety concerns. On small streams, temporary hydraulic modifications (e.g., screen panels) are often erected over the course of the season to direct flow to the trap. This is often necessary to keep a trap turning, and it obviously influences the trap efficiency…

Human actions such as trap repositioning and installation of hydraulic modifications call for stratification of trap-efficiency tests. If possible, treatments should be done consistently each time to minimize the number of efficiency strata created…


Fish marked and released for trap efficiency trials should be representative of the entire target population. Care should be taken to minimize bias relative to such factors as size and origin…

For these reasons, trap efficiency estimates resulting from release groups using hatchery fish may be biased low…


Estimating migration for any period, whether a short time interval or an entire season, involves mark-recapture experimentation that requires a catch and an estimate of trap efficiency. A number of approaches are available to estimate population size by use of mark-recapture techniques. The simplest approach is a Petersen equation written as follows:
ˆni MimiNi = = ni ˆei-1 (eq 1)
where
miMi ˆei = (eq 2)
and where
ˆNi = Estimated number of downstream migrants during period i
Mi = Number of fish marked and released during period i
ni = Number of fish captured during period i
mi = Number of marked fish captured during period i
ˆei = Estimated trap efficiency during period i

The six basic assumptions for the Petersen estimate are:
1) The population is closed;
2) All fish have an equal probability of capture in the first period;
3) Marking does not affect catchability;
4) All fish (marked and unmarked) have an equal probability of being caught in the second sample;
5) The fish do not lose their marks; and
6) All recovered marks are reported…
Phew. I'll pause there for now, if only to highlight that these assumptions are, perhaps, unrealistic. (hence GIGO)

Stratified mark-recapture approaches assume that each estimate of trap efficiency is an accurate measure of the proportion of downstream migrants caught in the trap. Since each test actually represents a single measure, it would be expected to include error. Assuming that error is normally distributed with zero mean, this approach argues for estimating discrete periods of short duration (e.g., 1 d) since the expected error over many samples should approach zero. Conversely, small sample sizes (mi) can greatly bias trap efficiency estimates, which argues for marking more fish, if available, or for strata of longer duration so that larger numbers of fish can be marked and recaptured…

During some strata, fewer than five marked fish may be recovered. On small streams, this is most likely early and late in the migration period, when few fish are captured and marked; however, this can also happen during other times when trap efficiency is low. To avoid biasing the estimate, adjacent strata can be pooled to achieve at least five recaptures. Yet this approach should not be used when dissimilar recapture rates are likely to have occurred between the adjacent strata (e.g., dissimilar streamflows). If pooling is not appropriate, the researcher should consider using the estimated trap efficiency for the stratum and accepting the bias or dropping the efficiency test and using another approach for estimating efficiency for the stratum (e.g., mean of all tests, alternative stratification [see approach 3 on page 261]). Every effort should be made to avoid the situation of low sample size in the stratum...

equation 11 introduces variance in the unmarked catch estimate. Up to this point, we have treated catch as a count, but there are usually times during the season when the trap is not operated (e.g., debris stops the trap). Catch must be estimated during these periods-with the exception that approaches 1a, 1b, and 4 (see page 259-262) integrate unfished periods into the population estimate so that estimates of missed catch are not needed. Catch expansion may or may not be required using approach 1c, depending on whether the efficiency trials encompass nonfishing periods…

Generally catch can be estimated by interpolating catch rates from the previous and following fishing periods. Complications occur, however, when the unfished period extends through periods of rapidly changing catch rates (e.g., from night to day periods)…

Catch may also need to be extrapolated to account for migration before and/or after the period of trap operation. The variance of these catch estimates can have a substantial effect on the variance of the population estimate when estimated missed catches are high…

Another cause for stratification is when human actions over the course of the season affect efficiency. Obvious examples include adding screen panels upstream of the trap to increase flow and direct more fish into the trap, and repositioning the trap, whether to increase or reduce catch rates or avoid damage during freshets…

A successful trapping operation requires a team of professional and technical staff that is dedicated to the success of the project. This statement is easily set aside since, after all, "Aren't we all dedicated to the project's success?" Nevertheless, when put to the test, many projects have failed to develop precise estimates of smolt production as a result of poor decision making or lack of tenacity during critical periods in the trapping season. Spring storm events increase river discharge and debris loads, making trap operation more difficult, dangerous, and time consuming. Like river discharge, catch rates can also steeply increase and decrease over a relatively short period of time. Trap operation during these periods often requires working extremely long and physically taxing periods…
To me all this demonstrates, admirably it must be said, is the massive potential for error, bias and variance. Run the experiment again under the same conditions and would you get the same result?

'Owt is always better than nowt, depending on how it is used of course. But it seems important that people apply more rigour to interpretations of such data. Or at least present the substantial caveats and ensure that folk use these data sensibly.

With all the money invested in Scots salmon fishings, I'm sure I'm not alone in being surprised there's not more interest in getting the basic river science as good as we possibly can before making hugely wide-reaching decisions.
 

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#13 · (Edited)
Loads of variables as always but from the uneducated outside it seems like the Spey Foundation are on exactly the right track towards a long term dataset.

The one thing that stands out for me when looking at the smolt run estimates for the A'an is how they relate, or don't relate to the proposed changes in marine survival from 20 or 30% to sub 5%.

If the A'an smolt run between circa 54k (2015) and 104k (2014) smolts in a year, then the widely quoted 20 or 30% historical marine survival would see 10s of thousands of fish running the river each year.

This would surely have be the case even once the coastal and in-river nets had taken their fill.

Yet Mills and Greasser (1979) quote an annual catch of around 700 for the A'an. Taking an over-generous assumption of rod exploitation of 10-20% and that suggesting a run of somewhere between 3500 and 7000 fish. This would seem to be consistent with a survival rate of around 5%.

I know there are a lot of variables to consider, Mills and Greasser could be wrong and maybe I'm just reading something incorrectly.

However at first glance these numbers do suggest to me that some people are either / or

a. Completely over-estimating historical marine survival.
b. Are misinterpreting the historical marine survival figures.

or

c. Even the most rigourous methods of estimating smolt production are always going to be a long way off.
 
#14 ·
A Beginner's Guide

Ness Glen,

many thanks for your reply. I fully accept that biology field studies are inevitably less than precise, and their results are usually accompanied by appropriate caveats. My concern is not with the studies, but rather with the way in which some people use data that is less than reliable and the consequences thereof. The 'data health warnings' of the scientists are the first thing to go out of the window in any campaign.

Given that awareness, it is essential that any data used to support major policy changes is of the highest quality. However, salmon fishing in Scotland is about to cross an historic threshold from local discretion to national directive. Much of the 'evidence' that has driven that move is of debatable quality and reliability, and would fail the tests laid out in 'Better Regulation'. Many different groups of people - anglers, riparian owners and their economic supporters - may pay a significant price as a result of decisions made on the basis of data that would never meet the quality requirements of good governance and responsible behaviour.
 
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I being a simple person can not see how there can ever be an accurate count of smolts unless counted in the estuary ??. Watching goosanders [1 hen bird devouring 7 smolts ] and some years counting up to 70 sawbills on one small stretch of water approx. 5 miles long must knock any numbers out the window.
Bob
 
#18 ·
Yes, another problem for sure. And as the various quotes from the manual for the smolt traping shows, if you allow just one goosander / otter / big brownie (they can swim in and out and two of them may do so more often when the trap is unattended) to access the livewell containing the (to-be-counted) smolts that may lead to the "extinction vortex" of your run:eek: Of course predator abundance also varies year on year.