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Strangely enough conditions at the Red Lion were perfect today.
I’ll let you know the colour at Holme Lacy at 5.30 am. If the concern is the screenshot from Dave Roberts underwater camera then I think this could be misleading - if you look at the whole post on Facebook some of the “above water footage” shows a nice clear river - however maybe eye witnesses accounts from above the Lugg confer.
I’ll let you know the colour at Holme Lacy at 5.30 am. If the concern is the screenshot from Dave Roberts underwater camera then I think this could be misleading - if you look at the whole post on Facebook some of the “above water footage” shows a nice clear river - however maybe eye witnesses accounts from above the Lugg confer.
Granted when he lands the shad all looks well , I stood in water on Sunday at Whitney and couldn’t see my boots in 2 ft of water , hardly clear, tight lines in the morning let us know how you get on
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I remember the radio DJ Joe Willy (apology for spelling) once talking about feeling immediately poorly after “wild swimming” in the wye🤮
Colour just above the lugg ok, maybe 4’ - 6’ viz , tinged
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Fished today at Hereford and Holme Lacy. Above the Lugg the river is clear with visibility to 6ft, albeit fairly low. But below the Lugg, oh dear, river still very cloudy no doubt full of the recently ploughed top soil and all the muck dumped on it. Visibility 3ft at most. So much for heavy rain during the potato sowing season! No salmon were involved in the day’s proceedings or indeed seen, but the chub were very noticeable taking flies, chasing small fry and whatever I attached to the end of my line.

May should be the prime month for our 2 sea winter fish, but so far they are noticeable by their absence even down in the lower reaches. Not good. :( Lets hope they are there waiting for cleaner water even if by then fishing will be mainly confined to below Monmouth.
Lovely fish caught at Wyesham looks fresh as paint , tides building hopefully bringing a few more with them
As I said I thought the water looked fair at LC&LM but I then fished at Aramstone for a few hours - yuck pretty grim colour down there. Fish were crashing around in Quarry pool but look set to stay for the summer and no takers - did hook a shad though. Returned to LC&LM as felt better chance - very big fresh looking fish/fishes doing aerial manoeuvres especially from 6pm all through Sally’s and Pylon but again not interested in any offerings I could muster.
Just when I was thankful for the clearer water I found myself surrounded in what I’m pretty sure were floating stinking human turds 🤢

no wonder the fish refused to open their mouths 😔
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We salmon fishers have been saying for years that they want to get rid of us.

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I've always had the impression Gary that the NRW have felt they are above the influence of the masses and see no need nor desire to take note of annoying opinions contrary to theirs.
However the dark person in the woodpile here might be that these proposals will effect waters in England. We shall see or perhaps be dictated to!
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I've always had the impression Gary that the NRW have felt they are above the influence of the masses and see no need nor desire to take note of annoying opinions contrary to theirs.
However the dark person in the woodpile here might be that these proposals will effect waters in England. We shall see or perhaps be dictated to!
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Thats exactly as I see it Trev, worse of all is the meetings and the pretence that they have an interest when mostly they are just box ticking, WUF are exactly the same except for the pretence, they just aren't interested in any opinions that are different to theirs.
A few 2SW fish finally showing up at Wyesham as the river drops.
A few 2SW fish finally showing up at Wyesham as the river drops.
And seen Peter passing through Ross waters today and yesterday.
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I've always had the impression Gary that the NRW have felt they are above the influence of the masses and see no need nor desire to take note of annoying opinions contrary to theirs.
However the dark person in the woodpile here might be that these proposals will effect waters in England. We shall see or perhaps be dictated to!
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The fact that the Barbel boys are starting to make a noise at last must be a bit annoying so maybe they think it might be quieter if they divide and conquer.
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A quote from twitter

"Salmon anglers are only a problem when an organisation charged with protection of a world class river doesn't want its incompetence revealed."
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"Salmon anglers are only a problem when an organisation charged with protection of a world class river doesn't want its incompetence revealed."
Is that why WUF banned some of us from their meetings :unsure: :unsure:
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The meetings are so full of self indulgence and self praise that they do not and unfortunately do not want to hear the voice of the everyday mortal angler
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A few 2SW fish finally showing up at Wyesham as the river drops.
Salmon jumping in pools on Upper bigsweir
Still brown tinge to the water
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For those who like a bit of light (heavy) reading the report which suggests the possibility of banning salmon angling in Wales is attached. But where do they says this? Well try the following section, their words in itallics:

Page 46 – 2nd bullet point
However, there are few examples in Wales of permanently lost salmon and sea-trout populations, and several formerly depleted stocks have recovered from very low levels. Salmon populations may recover from complete extirpation if limiting factors and environmental constraints (including fishing) are removed, and if neighbouring populations remain healthy, due to metapopulation dynamics and natural recolonizsation.

But looking at this report in detail they (NRW) clearly say in black and white they haven’t got a clue as to the actual size of the populations. Here is a few more extracts, their words again in italics.

Page 29 – last but one paragraph – half way down
Apart from various limitations and assumptions made by different estimation methods, one reason for this uncertainty is that it is notoriously difficult to get an accurate census of the number of salmon or trout in a stream. Salmonid census size has been approximated variously from catch data (corrected for exploitation and reporting rates, and survival), from counts at fish traps or counters, or from juvenile densities extrapolated from comparatively few sampling sites. None of these methods are particularly reliable for large streams, or take into account the contribution of mature male parr, and with the possible exception of a few reference streams with good monitoring data (e.g. Girnock Burn in Scotland, River Dee in Wales), they rarely provide accurate estimates of census size necessary to properly calibrate Ne/Nc.

Page 33 – last paragraph

One problem with the use of CL (Conservation Limits) is that, as with most reference points, it is based on models, rather than on empirical data

Page 42 – last paragraph

Rod catches alone may not adequately reflect the size of salmon populations particularly when they are small. Also - The relationship between rod catch and abundance is typically unknown

Page 43 – 2nd paragraph

Although rod catch data provides essential information on the trends of salmon and trout fisheries and have the added merit of being available for most rivers over relatively long periods, such data can have important shortcomings as indicators of stock abundance and need to be interpreted with caution, particularly if no information is available on fishing effort. Rod catches alone may not adequately reflect the size of salmon populations, particularly if these are small, because rod catches depend on fishing effort and vulnerability to capture, both influenced by environment, especially river flow and temperature

Page 47 – 2nd bullet point

Data from rod catches, and to some extent also from juvenile surveys, are inherently noisy, particularly for small populations, and simulations indicate that many years may be required to detect declines of salmon and trout.

All in all a money spinner for the legal profession, assuming the fishery owners will, if the NRW try to introduce a ban, challenge them in court, especially when it come to the English section of the river.

A further look at what the NRW and their predecessors have done over the 20+ years past. There is angling restrictions, then er oh, angling restrictions, then shortening the fishing season; oh, they have also done a bit of river gardening and of course lots of monitoring.

Who was it who said madness was doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?!!!

So what should they be doing? Well quite simply follow the model of the River Skjern in Denmark, which now must be the premier European salmon river.

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