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Canada is going to legalise pot. Smart move for many reasons in my opinion. What do you think?

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Oh that's really interesting. I knew that there was an increase in fentanyl use but I hadn't linked it to the legalisation of weed.

Can I ask whether you were in favour of legalisation, prior to it?
I was totally indifferent. Like almost everyone I knew I tried it in my “yoof“ but I’ve never smoked otherwise and all cannabis (regular weed and hash) ever did for me was make me cough so I had and have no skin in the game.
Like a few people I tried it when I was younger but just didn’t like it, so probably never went near it for the last 30 years.
on our last trip to BC one of the guys smokes it here and wanted to buy some, firstly I was surprised how many shops that had been set up to sell it. I went with him as I was intrigued to see the set up and that was the real surprise!
I imagined some aged hippy behind the counter with a set of scales, weighing out what you wanted. How wrong I was, the place was spotless more akin to a pharmacy, with an endless array of gadgets to smoke it with. The cannabis was listed on a board giving the exact make up/strength of each one, I didn’t understand it, but it did amuse me that there was a beginners one and an OAP one:D. The cannabis came in a small tin and once you took the lid off, there was a government seal. So it was controlled, you knew what you were buying, it was all just so legit, no difference than going to the off-licence, just a lot cleaner.

Earlier this year I had a very close shave with cancer, it was appearing on my skin, but they thought it was a blood cancer - a lymphoma, long story short the early tests were wrong, but the stress and worry it puts you through, I can’t put into words. Like everyone you start searching the internet for survival rates, cures, treatments etc etc The medical creams, potions and oral steroids were doing little to nothing, a family member mentioned CBD that a couple of friends of hers had been using to treat their cancers and they were seeing results, one of them was terminal and the cbd seemed to be shrinking the tumour. Like anyone who has that diagnosis, I would of tried any snake oil treatment🤣, anyway she got me some (this isn’t an over the counter version, just from the smell you knew it still had the “good stuff” left in) and the wife mixed it with some base oil and we started applying to my arms where the spots were, well what can I say, within 48 hrs, there was a visible improvement, after a week 70% had gone.

I’m having to go through 3 months of uvb light treatment, the consultant asked what medicines including non prescription I was taking I had to come clean over the cbd, fully expecting a rollocking or a snigger, but quite the contrary, she said there was tests out there that showed it working for certain cancers but they don’t understand how and why, but as there was no studies on cbd and light therapy could I avoid it whilst going through the treatment. I’m not applying it to the skin anymore, but still taking a grain of rice size each night, it definitely relaxes the mind and helps you sleep

The thing that surprised me about Canada, was that it wasn’t the young ones, but middle aged that I saw using it the most. I was totally against it, but have to admit I’m now all for it.
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Before you legalise weed you had better speak to the widow of the police officer deliberately run down and killed by a piece of vermin whose life had been taken over by canabis since 10 years old.

I am not sure she or her children would not agree.

I am told by Dutch friends that their experiment has turned out none too good either.

Think on.
What a crock of pish, alcohol and tobacco are major killers in the UK let alone crime because of alcohol. Yes there are negative examples to every drug but compared to Alcohol cannabis doesn't come close. I don't use cannabis but I see the difference between weed and alcohol. I love a pint or glass of wine but I'd rather see alcohol banned and cannabis legalized than cannabis remaining criminal.
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What a crock of pish, alcohol and tobacco are major killers in the UK let alone crime because of alcohol. Yes there are negative examples to every drug but compared to Alcohol cannabis doesn't come close. I don't use cannabis but I see the difference between weed and alcohol. I love a pint or glass of wine but I'd rather see alcohol banned and cannabis legalized than cannabis remaining criminal.
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Like a few people I tried it when I was younger but just didn’t like it, so probably never went near it for the last 30 years.
on our last trip to BC one of the guys smokes it here and wanted to buy some, firstly I was surprised how many shops that had been set up to sell it. I went with him as I was intrigued to see the set up and that was the real surprise!
I imagined some aged hippy behind the counter with a set of scales, weighing out what you wanted. How wrong I was, the place was spotless more akin to a pharmacy, with an endless array of gadgets to smoke it with. The cannabis was listed on a board giving the exact make up/strength of each one, I didn’t understand it, but it did amuse me that there was a beginners one and an OAP one:D. The cannabis came in a small tin and once you took the lid off, there was a government seal. So it was controlled, you knew what you were buying, it was all just so legit, no difference than going to the off-licence, just a lot cleaner.

Earlier this year I had a very close shave with cancer, it was appearing on my skin, but they thought it was a blood cancer - a lymphoma, long story short the early tests were wrong, but the stress and worry it puts you through, I can’t put into words. Like everyone you start searching the internet for survival rates, cures, treatments etc etc The medical creams, potions and oral steroids were doing little to nothing, a family member mentioned CBD that a couple of friends of hers had been using to treat their cancers and they were seeing results, one of them was terminal and the cbd seemed to be shrinking the tumour. Like anyone who has that diagnosis, I would of tried any snake oil treatment🤣, anyway she got me some (this isn’t an over the counter version, just from the smell you knew it still had the “good stuff” left in) and the wife mixed it with some base oil and we started applying to my arms where the spots were, well what can I say, within 48 hrs, there was a visible improvement, after a week 70% had gone.

I’m having to go through 3 months of uvb light treatment, the consultant asked what medicines including non prescription I was taking I had to come clean over the cbd, fully expecting a rollocking or a snigger, but quite the contrary, she said there was tests out there that showed it working for certain cancers but they don’t understand how and why, but as there was no studies on cbd and light therapy could I avoid it whilst going through the treatment. I’m not applying it to the skin anymore, but still taking a grain of rice size each night, it definitely relaxes the mind and helps you sleep

The thing that surprised me about Canada, was that it wasn’t the young ones, but middle aged that I saw using it the most. I was totally against it, but have to admit I’m now all for it.
Why would any government legalise something that can home treat a multitude of serious illnesses? It's too damaging for big pharma one of the saddest things I saw on film was a severe parkinsons sufferrer having to break the law to buy cannabis, despite typical Western medicine he could barely hold a cup of water with out spilling it, his tremors were so bad, within a few minutes of the ingestion of cannabis he could Physically function the same as everyone else.
You should watch run from the cure it pretty much explains why cannabis is still illegal.
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Why would any government legalise something that can home treat a multitude of serious illnesses? It's too damaging one of the saddest things I saw on film was a severe parkinsons sufferrer having to break the law to buy cannabis, before the use despite typical Western medicine he could barely hold a cup of water with out spilling it his tremors were so bad, within a few minutes of the ingestion of cannabis he could Physically function the same as everyone else.
You should watch run from the cure it pretty much explains why cannabis is still illegal.
Thats the bit i dont agree with most. Why should someone have to break the law and risk a criminal record for buying something that helps them lead a normal or better quality of life.
Recreational use will always be argued but i cant see why anyone would have an argument against medical use. Risks are minimal and benefits for some seem to be huge.

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Thats the bit i dont agree with most. Why should someone have to break the law and risk a criminal record for buying something that helps them lead a normal or better quality of life.
Recreational use will always be argued but i cant see why anyone would have an argument against medical use. Risks are minimal and benefits for some seem to be huge.

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Pretty much my point ,was it ever criminalised
Because of dangers it poses to health really? without going all conspiracy theorist its doesn't benefit big pharma for anyone to be able to grow or use a plant that has a proven track record of putting stage 4 cancers into remission.
The body has a remarkable way of healing itself given the chance and they now think the deep level relaxation and stress relief that cannabis has on the body and mind is a big part of why it helps people, it's not just the cannabis but in someway it allows the users body to relax and go into healing.
It's very interesting when you read deep into it, after suffering neck damage in a car 10 years ago and not being able to fish for several years without pain I would have tried anything , what I do know was the pain medication I was prescribed had warnings on the back which included, muscle pain, heart attack, stroke not much point taking something to treat one ailment they creates another but when you look more deeply into western medicine most of it is a patch up job.

A classic one being high blood pressure medication , its well known many of those pills create pottasium deficiency which in itself is one of the major causes of high blood pressure ...
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Pretty much my point ,was it ever criminalised
Because of dangers it poses to health really? without going all conspiracy theorist its doesn't benefit big pharma for anyone to be able to grow or use a plant that has a proven track record of putting stage 4 cancers into remission.
The body has a remarkable way of healing itself given the chance and they now think the deep level relaxation and stress relief that cannabis has on the body and mind is a big part of why it helps people, it's not just the cannabis but in someway it allows the users body to relax and go into healing.
It's very interesting when you read deep into it, after suffering neck damage in a car 10 years ago and not being able to fish for several years without pain I would have tried anything , what I do know was the pain medication I was prescribed had warnings on the back which included, muscle pain, heart attack, stroke not much point taking something to treat one ailment they creates another but when you look more deeply into western medicine most of it is a patch up job.

A classic one being high blood pressure medication , its well known many of those pills create pottasium deficiency which in itself is one of the major causes of high blood pressure ...
I get what you mean. Ive got knackerd rotator cuffs in my shoulders and knackerd discs in my back and take painkillers for them. I hate taking them and only take 2 in the morning rather than all day and the doc keeps asking why. Id rather take them once a day to get up and moving then after that ill put up with any pain. The last thing i want is damage to organs later in life from the painkillers. Also the fact they are addictive so i like to have a break for a week or two now and again.
I would consider cannabis based alternative if it was legal and allowed me to get on with my day feeling normal.

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The trouble with cannabis is that breeders have worked hard to increase its potency as a of gaining market share. The innocent high now has a good chance of causing psychosis which was not an original problem hence discussion about upgrading its classification. If it was legalised, I’d imaging a variety providing a ‘safe’ strength would be used. The market forces would mean that the stronger stuff would still be sold on the black market. As a result you’d probably see an increased general use and increased problems (eg more tobacco related issues like lung cancer) instead of an overall improvement.
Such a well balanced reply imo. For those who think it’s innocent would they want their children to use it be it as a teen or of an age? I suspect that answer would be no.
The only one thing that I can take from the bad lifestyle choices I made that despite being opposed still ended up with me on heroin is that I can have some peace from knowing that I never introduced anybody to drugs of any kind since even then I knew it was something I shouldn’t be responsible for.
My own experience with cannabis is that even when I was drinking a bottle of whiskey a night I could keep down a job in the foundry, whereas the cannabis ect just made me literally want to drop out
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Explain to me how it was a gateway drug for you, explain how if you'd never took cannabis you would not of become a user of other substances.
That’s a fair question and my answer might not make sense to you but I can say that I was opposed to heroin before some supposed friend whipped it out in my attic. All I can say is that the whole culture at the time was one of drugs and we all started with weed, trips and then Es and I can only say it evolved into that drug turning up and despite my previous feelings I do believe that the previous stuff primed into trying other stuff?
It’s not a one size fits all but it’s my experience
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Such a well balanced reply imo. For those who think it’s innocent would they want their children to use it be it as a teen or of an age? I suspect that answer would be no.
The only one thing that I can take from the bad lifestyle choices I made that despite being opposed still ended up with me on heroin is that I can have some peace from knowing that I never introduced anybody to drugs of any kind since even then I knew it was something I shouldn’t be responsible for.
My own experience with cannabis is that even when I was drinking a bottle of whiskey a night I could keep down a job in the foundry, whereas the cannabis ect just made me literally want to drop out
All psychoactive drugs affect people in different ways, some people are more susceptible to there side effects , some people have zero tolerance others can live completely functional lives whilst living under addiction, many things play a part in how people function most notably their wealth.

When you talk about Heroin often seen as the most destructive of all narcotics there is a misunderstanding that all heroin users beg on the streets and steal.

There has been wealthy and famous opium addicts for centuries the difference being they could afford to access the drug without obtaining it through crime , begging or prostitution.

The drug itself is only one part of the problem the outdated criminal justice system and treatment of drug users continues t
Perpetuates the cycle, jailing a heroin addict for stealing and then turfing them out homeless on into a half way house full off povergy stricken drug users does not solve the puzzle.

Its known as the dirtiest drug because of the degradation that comes with it , the only way it will ever be fixed is through decriminalisation and progressive treatment of drug addicts, if the drug was licensed and available to them then there would be no need to steal and enter into prostitution to obtain , once a person. Is living a functional life getting them respond to treatment is far easier and permanent results are possible, its about breaking the cycles they come with drug use and people need support not jaiing to do that.

If you look back political offices have been won off the back of zero drugs policies and by the end of the terms nothing ever changes
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That’s a fair question and my answer might not make sense to you but I can say that I was opposed to heroin before some supposed friend whipped it out in my attic. All I can say is that the whole culture at the time was one of drugs and we all started with weed, trips and then Es and I can only say it evolved into that drug turning up and despite my previous feelings I do believe that the previous stuff primed into trying other stuff?
It’s not a one size fits all but it’s my experience

And what made you try weed? Cigarettes? Alcohol?

I think its very easy to look at heroin users and say they all smoked weed and now take heroin therefore weed is a gateway drug to heroin. Firstly I would say look at how many heroin addicts smoke **** or drink alcohol and secondly I would ask how many weed smokers don't use heroin. Thirdly I would suggest if there was a safe reliable source of legal weed the people who are susceptible to going in search of thrills might well be less likely to be exposed to drugs like heroin.


Personally I would legalise all drugs and have the state regulate and control them and educate people of the dangers of doing them. If adults want to take heroin then why shouldn't they? Drugs are really only a problem because they are illegal.
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And what made you try weed? Cigarettes? Alcohol?

I think its very easy to look at heroin users and say they all smoked weed and now take heroin therefore weed is a gateway drug to heroin. Firstly I would say look at how many heroin addicts smoke **** or drink alcohol and secondly I would ask how many weed smokers don't use heroin. Thirdly I would suggest if there was a safe reliable source of legal weed the people who are susceptible to going in search of thrills might well be less likely to be exposed to drugs like heroin.


Personally I would legalise all drugs and have the state regulate and control them and educate people of the dangers of doing them. If adults want to take heroin then why shouldn't they? Drugs are really only a problem because they are illegal.
Again that’s a good question and one I’ve looked into? Straight off the bat I can say my upbringing was a very caring one with both parents present and nobody even smoking cigarettes in my family.
The one thing I do know that my father regretted with him being a hippie prior to changing his ways and bringing up a family is that all the while I was taught the good things I can remember every time my dad got together with his other reformed friend who also had a family after drinks they would talk about it as the good old days not realising that the kids were taking it in so you could say I was getting conflicting messages?
I’ve often wondered why I and a few others made the choices we did as it was a choice as there were attempts after finding us with contraband such a weed at school to point out that the choices were not good.
There’s also the fact that I was very much duped as many are by the whole sex drugs n rock n roll thing into thinking it was glamorous despite the reality.

I went from a very athletic pupil to a dropout in something like the third year at high school and so I would agree that teaching children about this stuff is something that should start when the kids look up to their parents and believe their words imo.
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And what made you try weed? Cigarettes? Alcohol?

I think its very easy to look at heroin users and say they all smoked weed and now take heroin therefore weed is a gateway drug to heroin. Firstly I would say look at how many heroin addicts smoke **** or drink alcohol and secondly I would ask how many weed smokers don't use heroin. Thirdly I would suggest if there was a safe reliable source of legal weed the people who are susceptible to going in search of thrills might well be less likely to be exposed to drugs like heroin.


Personally I would legalise all drugs and have the state regulate and control them and educate people of the dangers of doing them. If adults want to take heroin then why shouldn't they? Drugs are really only a problem because they are illegal.
Well for sure all of the problems that arise are due to the criminal aspect and the scary stuff that’s being cut with any drug that is sold illegally.
Personally I would legalise all drugs and have the state regulate and control them and educate people of the dangers of doing them. If adults want to take heroin then why shouldn't they? Drugs are really only a problem because they are illegal.
We are way too deep into the populations requirement to depend on the state for that.
That’s a fair question and my answer might not make sense to you but I can say that I was opposed to heroin before some supposed friend whipped it out in my attic. All I can say is that the whole culture at the time was one of drugs and we all started with weed, trips and then Es and I can only say it evolved into that drug turning up and despite my previous feelings I do believe that the previous stuff primed into trying other stuff?
It’s not a one size fits all but it’s my experience
There are lots of reasons why lives get ruined by addiction. The propensity toward troublesome addiction is the crucial element. I think its about 10-20% give or take. Some are exposed to it all, some just the legal ones. Opportunity to escalate is probably down to personal circumstances and boundaries.
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Quite legal in Alaska ;)
If you want to cut organised crime off at the knees you take over it’s business and do it more efficiently.
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If you want to cut organised crime off at the knees you take over it’s business and do it more efficiently.
Trusting the government to do it effiently and get it right would be a massive sticking point. The business model is there to copy in the us, canada and even thailand but no doubt they would make an arse of it.

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Trusting the government to do it effiently and get it right would be a massive sticking point. The business model is there to copy in the us, canada and even thailand but no doubt they would make an arse of it.

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I don’t think there is any ambition to take it over, a lot of money is made on the sidelines of drugs being illegal.
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Trusting the government to do it effiently and get it right would be a massive sticking point. The business model is there to copy in the us, canada and even thailand but no doubt they would make an arse of it.

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Yep taxed to the point where black market is way cheaper same as cigs

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