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I really don't understand what all the fuss is about in connection with the return of eg beer cans. In Norway, the return rate for cans and plastic bottles is way over 95%. You pay for a return deposit when you buy the drink and you reclaim that deposit from any supermarket in the country when you return the container. Glass bottles and other metal containers without a prepaid deposit, are returned to suitably placed return containers (generally within 500yds of where you live). If you can´t be bothered returning your own drink containers, someone else will. The biggest problem is having to stand in a queue at the return container when someone from the local sports club has three bin bags full of plastic bottles collected from all over the place which takes about 15mins to push through the machine. I should also add, that organisations like the Red Cross ask you to donate your deposits to their organisation when you return your cans/bottles etc, but you have the possibility to win up to NOK 1 million (approx GBP 90 000) in their lottery. Many choose to support these organisations.
 

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You do not know much about rural Scotland, do you?
Living in Norway for over 40 years, I know a lot about "rural". (Before then I used to live in Scotland!). Every town or village in Norway with even the smallest grocery store has a bottle/can return machine and there are places in Norway which a lot more "rural" than Scotland.
 

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Never mind Balder. It is the problem with Scotland at the moment, no matter what is suggested by our own government, good or bad, those that believe in maintaining the union will make it sound like the craziest idea with unsurmountable hurdles, more than encouraged by a press machine funded by conservative party supporters.

I am glad you support the independent country that you live in and recognise the benefits a progressive government can bring.
 

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Living in Norway for over 40 years, I know a lot about "rural". (Before then I used to live in Scotland!). Every town or village in Norway with even the smallest grocery store has a bottle/can return machine and there are places in Norway which a lot more "rural" than Scotland.
(Deluded Fruin is not worth replying to).
The difference between Norway now and rural Scotland now is that Norway has maintained or improved their public services in rural areas, whereas Scotland has cut right back on funding in rural areas relative to 40 years ago. So you are well out of touch. In the Western Isles, there is next to no public transport (some villages one or two bus days a week), low wages and a council cutting right back on all services in order to try and balance the books. Imagine you are a family of 5living in the middle of nowhere relying on a Tesco van to get your shopping. This recycling scheme is nothing more than a tax for them as there is no way of getting the money back. Most rural areas are the same. Urban types do not understand or care.
Ask yourself why companies are warning they will stop supplying Scotland or, if they are Scottish companies, they fear for the future.
Ask yourself why there is still no detail on the recycling scheme available?
STOP comparing what goes on in other countries to what goes on, or could go on, in Scotland.
 

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(Deluded Fruin is not worth replying to).
TOP comparing what goes on in other countries to what goes on, or could go on, in Scotland.

Indeed.(y)
I thought it worth leaving the 1st sentence in also.:cool:
Unfortunately there is a dimwit in the driving seat insisting the scheme will go ahead even though there is no detail, no infrastructure, no plans as to how this will be dealt with in terms of installing returns machines, or, indeed, how the scheme is going to otherwise work, nothing. She says she has talked to concerned companies about the matter? Has she listened to anything they have said?
Clearly not. All that is left for all sizes of businesses is either to sign up to a project that has no meat on the bones, or else be fined massively for non compliance? W.T.F?o_Oo_O
How bloody authoritarian is that? Another legacy of Sturgeon's laughable claim of being a democratic country. It beggars belief.
As for the nonsensical claims of comparison to other "Independent" countries, there is one massive flaw. Scotland is NOT Independent, it exists as part of a Union. All the other parts of that Union are united in addressing the difficulties in building the infrastructure and rather more sensibly are looking at 2025 to implement the scheme.
Not Sturgeon's Scotland, of course. Always, always, has to be different from everyone else, even, as is clear in this case, to the huge detriment of Scottish people.:mad:
Thank f**k she's gone.
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The irony of not really talking about the real difference between Scotland and Norway 🙄
The irony is that this scheme/tax of the SNP can only work as a UK wide scheme otherwise it will be open to cross ''border'' schemes scams and fraud.
i.e someone will have a mate who works in a recycling center in England, pay him 5 or 10p per empty take them to Scotland and get 20p per unit, nice little earner.
 

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Mr Bean is ready for the top job.🤣


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I like Humza Yousless.
He'll do a grand job.:D
Seriously, though, if that is possible in the midst of this comedy show, I have watched the office of First Minister be gradually eroded to what it is today, a farce.
To think that it is now being contended by a cabal of failed cooncilors and frauds beggars belief!!
I never was a fan of Devolution, although I do see some of it's merits if implemented properly?
What I see now though is nothing short of an expensive one trick pony joke.:(
Billy Connolly was bang on when he described it as a Pretendy Parliament.(y)
 
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