[keirstream]

We in Scotland are truly fu**ed.
The Green Minister in Sturgeon's "government" Lorna Slater, appeared on telly yesterday insisting this latest example of the madness which has become endemic in the party and has ripped wholesale through recent pieces of legislation just to be different from England will still go ahead in August. W.T.F?
She insists that although they have no detail as to how it will be administered, presumably because the mechanics of doing so is so clumsy and expensive and apart from anything else, it's just another subject she doesn't have a clue about, (think fish farms) that companies must sign up to it. On pain of hefty fines if they don't even although they have no idea what they are signing up to. Talk about East Germany???
So, as a consequence, as it relates not only to glass, but plastic and aluminium bottles and cans, a 10 pack of any drink on the shelf will rise by £2.00 per pack. So, a 10 pack of own brand bottled water will rise from £2 to £4 overnight or a 10 pack of canned Coke from £3.20 to £4.80. In the middle of a cost of living crisis!!!!
Local authorities are to withdraw recycling facilities from service as a result, meaning that, if you can't be arsed taking bags of cans and botlles back to the store, then, into the general refuse bin they go and into infill.
I am totally at a loss with this confrontational and authoritarian cabal that purports to be "running" our great wee country whilst not giving a toss about their day jobs of improving educational standards, health, drug deaths and roads etc. Cloud cuckoo land doesn't even come close.
They need to go----------quickly.

Brian Wilson: This deposit scheme madness puts even the ferries scandal to shame

I FIRST wrote about the Deposit Return Scheme last year, alerted by a conversation with a quite senior person within the Scottish Government. We…

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[Fruinfisher]

With this and the trannies fiasco ( from what I’m led to believe is mostly they’re doing as well), the snp are losing a lot of members and voters. Hopefully their days are numbered , although wishful thinking probably

 

[Grassy_Knollington]

Measures to reduce waste and promote re-use are generally very good ideas.

Implementing these ideas requires planning engagement and communication accross a range of interested parties. Sometimes these activities can slow down implementation and there is always a risk that the inevitable compromises reduce the effectiveness of the good idea.

However, it is very rare that an organisation can unilaterally decide to impose change without planning, engagement, communication and compromise. Therefore it is usually best to do it early and openly.

The Scottish Government don’t seem to be interested or capable of operating in this way. Examples are WFR, Transgender Rights, Child Protection and now this.

The actual benefits of these policies seem to be mainly political and focussed on highlighting differences between Scotland and the U.K. The real world benefits to peoples lives are limited by amateur implementation.

I would be surprised if the SNP don’t include ‘divergence from existing U.K. policy’ as part of their formal or informal criteria for selecting which ideas make it through each stage of development towards legislation.

 

[Fruin]

You do know that the UK's main parties also include a DRS in their manifestos?
You are aware that countries across the globe are introducing similar policy to reduce the biggest litter pollutant in the seas?

Funny you should try to make comparisons to East Germany...

"Before 2003, some 3 billion disposable beverage containers were dumped in the environment every year," Thomas Fischer, head of circular economy at NGO Environmental Action Germany (DUH), told DW.
These days, the country boasts a returns rate of above 98%. "It's impossible to reach a higher rate," Fischer said.

Scandinavian countries have been operating these schemes for 20 years without much issue.

Much a fuss about nothing, usually driven through the media by business owners playing victim while sniggering behind the screens with their political accomplaces.

It is a modern world and we must protect the environment. Most forward thinking countries accept this level of responsibility, rather than call it madness. It would be madness to do nothing!

 

[Fruin]

I read an article about this last week after a discussion with a friend. I couldn't really engage at the time because I knew little about it.
It was that article that highlighted to me that billions of people use bottle deposit return schemes successfully in other countries. It also highlighted that the responsibility for successful implementation lies with retailers and producers through an organisation they are signed up to called Circularity Scotland. It is these business' that have delayed and frustrated the scheme for so long and I believe the problem the Scottish Government now face, and they should face it, is getting Circularity Scotland functioning properly. This is not a new thing, as it is being made out in the press to be; the Scottish Government informed retailers about this in 2017.
It is within the interests of all those that are members of Circularity Scotland to frustrate the process to assist their shareholders for as long as possible. It is not in the publics interest for them to do so!

In their responsibility for implementing the scheme, they must also make sure that it suits small retailers and producers, but, at the moment they appear to have organised the highest per unit price in Europe!

 

[keirstream]

You do know that the UK's main parties also include a DRS in their manifestos?

I might have guessed that you would pop up again Fruin, defending the indefensible once more?
Even you must be getting sick of Sturgeon's continual confrontational and authoritarian model?
Yes, I am fully aware of DRS manifestos throughout Europe, some already implemented.
But, are you aware that your own party grandees are becoming progressively more frustrated by divisive tactics losing precious votes?
As Fergus Ewing pointed out, none of the European schemes included glass as it is far too costly and complicated to implement?
But no, f*ck the cost to the taxpayer and the hard pressed shoppers trying to keep food on the table.
All to be different from England. Again.
As Brian Wilson pointed out, glass bottles and metal cans don't recognise borders.
My own L.A. was handling recycling very nicely than you very much.
Now it will probably all get shipped off to some 3rd world country to be dumped into the sea.
F.F.S?????????
And you have the nerve to blame the media for exposing the scandal?
Should they all be just tout Scotgov propaganda and Whitabooterie like your beloved National?

 

[Fruin]

What a lot of cobbles! Your original post called the whole idea madness, and now you are only referring to glass, come on!!!
Also, you think this is just another attempt to be different from England - again, that is nonsense and, either you know it is or you are not half as clever as I thought you were. England, Scotland, Wales and NI all committed to DRSs back in 2017/2018, so, this is hardly news. It was in the Tories manifesto to include glass and they have now reneged on that, upsetting many but getting plaudits from industry for doing so. I am not aware of the figures for glass, nor do I know if it is a good idea. Evidence from Germany and Estonia would seem to suggest that including glass is a mistake, unless Circular Scotland can find proposals that make sense.
I don't blame the media for exposing anything, other than them labelling it as a scandal in the first place when it is bringing the UK in line with what is going on around the world. If the Scottish Government are managing to implement it ahead of other parts of the UK then that is fine. They are not being maverick about it, just doing their job.

Incidentally, the Scottish Government are not the first government to do things differently in Scotland than the rest of the UK - does anybody remember the poll tax?

 

[Salad Dodger]

Do you have to return your can, bottle etc. to the original point of purchase, to receive your 20p?

 

[Pollowick]

Kids in the border towns will enjoy it ... Buy in England and go through all the recycling, whip over the border and claim back lots and lots of 20p deposits.

 

[Lamson v10]

Nicola sturgeon is a COMPLETE UTTER FRIGGIN CLOWN 🤡

 

[Salad Dodger]

Kids in the border towns will enjoy it ... Buy in England and go through all the recycling, whip over the border and claim back lots and lots of 20p deposits.

That’s what made me ask the question about where you get your 20p from.

I provide complimentary drinks in the bothy, the usual tea & coffee, but also cans of pop and bottles of water.

I buy the cans and bottles in the shire, then take them to the beat. So on paper, I would be better off, unless the next step is for an import tax at the border. 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[Lamson v10]

I really can't wait to she falls of her wee pedestal 😂 and the papers can eventually print all the sh it they have on her and her FAKE husband

Please go quickly before you really run this country into the ground

 

[keirstream]

What a lot of cobbles! Your original post called the whole idea madness, and now you are only referring to glass, come on!!!
Also, you think this is just another attempt to be different from England - again, that is nonsense and, either you know it is or you are not half as clever as I thought you were. England, Scotland, Wales and NI all committed to DRSs back in 2017/2018, so, this is hardly news. It was in the Tories manifesto to include glass and they have now reneged on that, upsetting many but getting plaudits from industry for doing so. I am not aware of the figures for glass, nor do I know if it is a good idea. Evidence from Germany and Estonia would seem to suggest that including glass is a mistake, unless Circular Scotland can find proposals that make sense.
I don't blame the media for exposing anything, other than them labelling it as a scandal in the first place when it is bringing the UK in line with what is going on around the world. If the Scottish Government are managing to implement it ahead of other parts of the UK then that is fine. They are not being maverick about it, just doing their job.

Incidentally, the Scottish Government are not the first government to do things differently in Scotland than the rest of the UK - does anybody remember the poll tax?

The rest of the U.K. has paused, including Wales, who realise these regulations need to be carefully prepared, not bulldozed through as Sturgeon and Slater seem hell bent to do in the face of business failure as a direct result of another disastrous policy. Fergus Ewing's words, not mines of course, including those on glass which you seem to single out for some reason to call my post cobblers. Is Ewing talking cobblers? Will he be sacked and made an example to quell the growing numbers of rebels in your ranks?. If you need clarification of the stats, refer to Lamson's clip below.
As for not trying to be different from England, Whitaboot that for a disingenious statement? That is what Sturgeon is all about, has been and will continue to be. Divisive and confrontational and even her own supporters are getting fed up with her. The night of the long knives is fast approaching. She will soon be returned from where she came from and the deposit claimed on the soiled goods.
As for the poll tax, that was universally condemned by all parties and suffered the same fate as Sturgeon's madcap schemes are about to experience. However, well done again on another piece of classic Whitabooterie.
You can't help it, can you???

 

[williegunn2]

We in Scotland are truly fu**ed.

So, as a consequence, as it relates not only to glass, but plastic and aluminium bottles and cans, a 10 pack of any drink on the shelf will rise by £2.00 per pack. So, a 10 pack of own brand bottled water will rise from £2 to £4 overnight or a 10 pack of canned Coke from £3.20 to £4.80. In the middle of a cost of living crisis!!!!

The Scottish education system used to be the best in the world, now grown men cannot do simple sums.

20x 10p = £2.00 £3.20 + £2.00 = £5.20 not £4.80

 

[keirstream]

The Scottish education system used to be the best in the world, now grown men cannot do simple sums.

20x 10p = £2.00 £3.20 + £2.00 = £5.20 not £4.80

Aye, and it's well seen you don't do the family shopping or you would have spotted the real mistake.
Coke comes in packs of 8 so , come on up, the price is right.

 

[Taydavie]

Nicola sturgeon is a COMPLETE UTTER FRIGGIN CLOWN 🤡

We told them in 2021 what in the middle of a pandemic they will be left with the tartan twits and the methadone shufflers who will always vote for them while the more educated people of this country start to realise that they are doing nothing about drug deaths , teenage pregnancy, education, roads that are potholes everywhere and the rest they have buggered up stop voting for this shambles and sturgeon and that gormless pink haired nodding dog and the rest of those twats get booted out and we start getting this country back to where it should be without blaming England for blatant mismanagement of funds , thank fk we never got independence as that would have been a real **** show .

 

[williegunn2]

Aye, and it's well seen you don't do the family shopping or you would have spotted the real mistake.
Coke comes in packs of 8 so , come on up, the price is right.

You wriggle like Nicola Sturgeon at First Minister’s Questions, surprised you didn’t use the can’t recall or I’ll get back to you phrase.

 

[chriswjx]

Aye, and it's well seen you don't do the family shopping or you would have spotted the real mistake.
Coke comes in packs of 8 so , come on up, the price is right.

thought they came in 6s or 12s?😅

 

[Fruin]

Keirstream, let's get back to the point here. Do you think a bottle deposit scheme is required? (Yes/No)

 

[westie4566]

To be fair, the DRS has worked perfectly in Germany for years and in principle is a great idea

You take your empties along to the local Netto, pop them in a machine and get a coupon off your shopping in return.

That said Nippy and the green crew probably haven't enough braincells between them to have actually researched how it works in Germany.

It worked perfectly well here too back in the day. Used to be a pocket money topper up as a bairn picking up the empty pop bottles along the side of the road when out on my bike. Quick wash for the really manky ones and 10p each back. (Mind there also the fox tails at 50p a pop from the local cop shop - the family farms always gave them to me to hand in)