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Hampshire Avon 2023

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Wishing all Avon anglers the best of luck for the coming season.....although it maybe difficult to access the river in some places at the moment!
Think it will be a little while before I cast a line, as I have some ongoing back issues, which are proving troublesome at present.
Sean
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PeterRoss, I thought it was one fish caught, please enlighten me.
I thought I read on Avon Diary one caught to Mr Greenacre, ladies and gentlemen, and one follow to another angler. Irrespective of numbers it was nice to see fish hooked/caught/seen on Avon. Like iv said before I'm from Lancashire and fish Ribble/Hodder and Cumbrian Rivers but I follow Avon threads as those Avon Jerry's can be leviathans, fish of lifetimes. Even if average size they are stunning looking.
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Apologies Tony, you are absolutely right , I switched off having read "another rod had a second fish.." and failed to get to the next word "follow", I was clearly too excited!
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Or ever hopeful, I know I am….😀
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There's only one fish in the book at soberly.
Sorry meant only one fish in the book at somerly.
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Where have our Salmon gone. The whole of the Avon system has yielded 14 Salmon which is down on what is regarded a spring run river. One fish on the Itchen caught. One recorded on the Test and a 3 to 4 SWF from the Frome, these two recorded by the EA, so not caught. That's a catch return of 15 fish from four mighty rivers. Thoughts please.
Are they being netted in the Irish channel?
Do they migrate through the “Irish channel” (Irish Sea?). In the Wye the may catch is around 7 with a 5 year average of 90 (for may). I suspect the hants Avon and Wye fish follow a similar migration pattern 😊
It is universal. No doubt the EA & NRW will blame it on climate change rather than our rivers being full of crap. Also what is going on at sea? My guess is they are being over harvested in the Greenland and Barents seas by the Russian and Chinese factory ships and anyone else out for a quick buck.
Do they migrate through the “Irish channel” (Irish Sea?). In the Wye the may catch is around 7 with a 5 year average of 90 (for may). I suspect the hants Avon and Wye fish follow a similar migration pattern 😊
Iv often wondered which way the southern rivers fish go i.e. Do they run the west coast gauntlet or down the east coast of the North sea. MSW fish will feed in the same area (s/w Greenland) but which way do the smolts go and adults return?
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I've spent quite a bit of time fishing my local river, and not hooked or seen a thing.
Same as last year, actually, but at least we had the excuse of low water.
That certainly hasn't been a problem this season, so far, so where are the Fish?
Iv often wondered which way the southern rivers fish go i.e. Do they run the west coast gauntlet or down the east coast of the North sea. MSW fish will feed in the same area (s/w Greenland) but which way do the smolts go and adults return?
It seems that at least the Scottish Dee smolts are feeding in the Norwegian sea and it has been suggested that for example the Hants Avon and Wye msw go to Greenlend vis west coats of ireland, makes sense
Some information on numbers from the counter at Knapp mill would be useful, as it stands we have no idea how many fish have gone through. The best we can hope for is that how ever many fish have entered the system have gone straight through to the upper reaches with the high water levels we have had all spring. Every year we pay our license fee and get very little in return, I don't think it's asking too much to be given regular updates, even if it is grim reading!!
According to an e mail I received from the EA, just 133 salmon were counted running the itchen last year, 506 on the test.
What would be considered a ‘normal’ number on the Avon by mid May generally over the last 10-20 years?
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According to an e mail I received from the EA, just 133 salmon were counted running the itchen last year, 506 on the test.
What would be considered a ‘normal’ number on the Avon by mid May generally over the last 10-20 years?
Blimey. That's very sad figures.
Harry
Sadly we all know we are fishing for a declining fraction of what previous generations enjoyed. That said I'm sure fish are passing unseen in the unusually high river, and hopefully as it settles back we'll see more of them. I'll be trying tomorrow...
Sadly we all know we are fishing for a declining fraction of what previous generations enjoyed. That said I'm sure fish are passing unseen in the unusually high river, and hopefully as it settles back we'll see more of them. I'll be trying tomorrow...
Presumably the fish counters count come rain or shine whatever the colour/height of water? Or maybe not?
Harry
Where are the fish?
One thing is for certain they are not where they should be. So where do we look?

The migration routes and the depths the fish swim at can be tracked with a level of accuracy less than a hundred metres. It is not new technology and has been used to position tuna traps so precisely one trap in the Eastern Atlantic caught its entire seasons quota in one day.
Fit the same technology to a couple of mega sized pair trawlers and the value of the catch could be astronomical.

Has anyone examined the losses of juveniles even before they go to the sea?
Most salmon rivers are coarse fished, use maggots and the numbers of salmon parr caught are higher than on any other bait, a good percentage of those caught will gorge the hook and when returned many drift off to be quickly cleared up by the ever present seagull.
Salmon evolved to live alongside herons, now we have egrets which feed in a different manner than herons and cormorants which fly up and down our rivers targeting every slack and slow water where there isn't a human presence.

Do anyone know what happens when the smolts enter the sea? Do you think they swim off quite happily to grow and get fat.....because they don't! I know one river (mentioned above) where a good percentage are very quickly mopped up by the hundreds of gulls that hang around waiting for an easy meal when the smolts are driven to the surface by predators underneath. I doubt those gulls or cormorants were there a few decades ago when fish were returning in good numbers.

Does anyone undertake DNA sampling of the salmon being sold in this country? The US do it to control illegal marketing of certain species so why could we not do it for salmon?

The fact is the way things are going chalkstream salmon are in the fast lane to becoming an endangered species and once the gene pool gets that low there will be no route back.
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Sorry Red Spinner, but you're miles off on the Parr and maggot front. Coarse Anglers spend a lifetime of unhooking and returning fish. A small hook such as one used in maggot fishing these days is likely to be micro barbed in the least and just as likely to be barbless too. Even if a Parr has gobbed a maggot, modern plastic micro disgorgers will have such hooks out in a jiffy with nary a scratch. In fact there'll be a higher attrition rate to parr from bona fide Salmon anglers, many of whom have never had to worry about releasing or handling protocols for fish they catch until very recent times. How many Salmon anglers still use an old pair of pliers from the garage to unhook fish and as yet have not embraced modern hooks or even gone barbless yet!.
This isn't a personal dig at all, Wear Anglers moan about F.E.B's and such like, the Wye its water quality, the Dee it's Seals and Dolphins in the estuary up on the Ribble its intensive farming and agricultural run off
It's easy to blame what we all can see, but every single river in the UK and world wide is rapidly accelerating towards migratory fish extinction, it's a common problem for all, not a single problem for one river and another problem for another. Don't know if you've noticed, but Salmon Angling is being banned in rivers Stateside now, so low are the returning numbers.
So far, there 5 Salmon caught for the entire Ribble this season! ( or there were on Weds.! ). I'm sure each rivers own little foibles won't be doing returning numbers any good, but there's greater dragons to slay- initially any way!
Why do you think any form of stocking is constantly denied?, because our Government knows what's happening to the fish, they are not going to apportion funds to stock rivers when they're netted out on the open sea!. Obviously, not going to sponsor other country's to feed their populations, or put profit into others peoples pockets.
Pedro.
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