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Been a long time since I have used any sinking lines apart from poly leaders. When I last used any it was slow sinkers, wet cell 2 or hi speed hi D.
I'm thinking of using something close to the old wet cell 2, single handed on the Avon this Spring.
I see the descriptions have all changed over the years and there's sink 1,2, 3 and various DI numbers now. What would be a modern equivalent to a wet cell 2?
I'll be using it on a 10' rod that seems to be happy with a 425grain head Spey and overhead. Leaning towards budget end of the market, Norris, Maxcatch etc.
I'm guessing it'll be a WF Trout rated line 9/10?
Any advice welcome please.
 

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I use the DI 3 for my night sea trout fishing. It's in my opinion the same as the old Wet Cell 2. Hope this is of interest.
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I use the DI 3 for my night sea trout fishing. It's in my opinion the same as the old Wet Cell 2. Hope this is of interest.
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Bit of a dredger then. That‘ll sort them out unless your pools are 50’ deep.
 

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Why not just get a new wet cel 2. I would'nt have thought you would need much above an 8wt single handed rating though on a 10ft single hander unless you have a specialist pike / saltwater rod. what rod is it and whats the recomended line rating?
 

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Why not just get a new wet cel 2. I would'nt have thought you would need much above an 8wt single handed rating though on a 10ft single hander unless you have a specialist pike / saltwater rod. what rod is it and whats the recomended line rating?
It's a #7 rated but for a switch line. A Trout #8 is nowhere near heavy enough.
I've had a quick look and it would appear that the new wet cell lines are of the modern sink 1,2, 3 etc and they're rated in ips. I'm guessing what I'm needing is something around 6" per second. The wet cell 2 I used to use must be nearly 45 yrs old now. It was perfectly useable last time I did around 10yrs since.
If anyone has any ideas on the sink rate of the old line I'd love to know. I'm wanting something that will get down and hang in the flow rather than cut through and sit on the bottom.
 

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It's a #7 rated but for a switch line. A Trout #8 is nowhere near heavy enough.
I've had a quick look and it would appear that the new wet cell lines are of the modern sink 1,2, 3 etc and they're rated in ips. I'm guessing what I'm needing is something around 6" per second. The wet cell 2 I used to use must be nearly 45 yrs old now. It was perfectly useable last time I did around 10yrs since.
If anyone has any ideas on the sink rate of the old line I'd love to know. I'm wanting something that will get down and hang in the flow rather than cut through and sit on the bottom.
6" per second sink rate is very fast and unless you're fishing very deep or very fast flowing rivers I doubt you'll need that. Never used a wet cell 2 as they were before my time but talking to people who have used them they are the equivalent of a fast intermediate in todays lines, so sink 1 or 2.
 

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Could try one of these:

Here they are in use
 

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It's a #7 rated but for a switch line. A Trout #8 is nowhere near heavy enough.
I've had a quick look and it would appear that the new wet cell lines are of the modern sink 1,2, 3 etc and they're rated in ips. I'm guessing what I'm needing is something around 6" per second. The wet cell 2 I used to use must be nearly 45 yrs old now. It was perfectly useable last time I did around 10yrs since.
If anyone has any ideas on the sink rate of the old line I'd love to know. I'm wanting something that will get down and hang in the flow rather than cut through and sit on the bottom.
I still use old Wet 1s & 2s occasionally but also have what may have been a MasterlIne medium sinker. This last probably approximates to a Wet Cel 1/1/2 and is a nice medium flow line along the lines you require.

The way I fish, a Wet 2 is only usable in a big river at c + c 2.5 ‘. Wet 1 is nice in medium rivers for streamy water with a bit of depth. Have no specs I’m afraid.
 

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I use the DI 3 for my night sea trout fishing. It's in my opinion the same as the old Wet Cell 2. Hope this is of interest.
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I think Aled is right. I'm pretty sure the old Wetcel 2 sank at about 3"/sec. In the Airflo Di series, the number represents the sink rate, so a Di3 should be 3"/sec - and a Di6 should be 6"/sec. So if you're after the equivalent of a Wetcel 2, a Di6 definitely isn't the right answer!

The current range of Wetcel lines are classed as sink 2, 4 and 6, and again the numbers relate to the sink rate in inches/sec - so, slightly confusingly, a modern Wetcel 2 will sink a bit more slowly than an old one.
 

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The Wet Cel 2 sink rate is, I think, 1.75” to 2.75” a second which sounds like the closest modern line would be a Di3. I also recall that the lighter AFTM weight lines sank faster than the heavier AFTM weight lines because they were thinner and had less water resistance. So it seems to me that Aled’s suggestion is the way to go.

I can’t comment on which AFTM line weight is best for your rod but it seems from what said you know what grain weight you’re looking for so it’s maybe a question of deciding what head length you want For where you fish. Hope this helps. (Also fits with charlieH’s post that came through when I was typing this).
 

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The Wet Cel 2 sink rate is, I think, 1.75” to 2.75” a second which sounds like the closest modern line would be a Di3. I also recall that the lighter AFTM weight lines sank faster than the heavier AFTM weight lines because they were thinner and had less water resistance. So it seems to me that Aled’s suggestion is the way to go.

I can’t comment on which AFTM line weight is best for your rod but it seems from what said you know what grain weight you’re looking for so it’s maybe a question of deciding what head length you want For where you fish. Hope this helps. (Also fits with charlieH’s post that came through when I was typing this).
My view is the reverse of what you say in para 1. Sorry
 

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It's a #7 rated but for a switch line. A Trout #8 is nowhere near heavy enough.
I've had a quick look and it would appear that the new wet cell lines are of the modern sink 1,2, 3 etc and they're rated in ips. I'm guessing what I'm needing is something around 6" per second. The wet cell 2 I used to use must be nearly 45 yrs old now. It was perfectly useable last time I did around 10yrs since.
If anyone has any ideas on the sink rate of the old line I'd love to know. I'm wanting something that will get down and hang in the flow rather than cut through and sit on the bottom.
I think it varies according to the line weight but is around 3" ps.
 

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Have a look for a Snowbee intermediate switch line, it will work fine on the single hander, get the 425gr, works well on the Avon, coupled with a heavy fly.
 

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Nearest I ever found to the original Wet Cell 11 was the Michael Evans Arrowhead Medium Sink.
I recently bought one after last wearing one out around 10 years ago and never replacing and it has been duly attached to a spare spool
in preparation for fishing normal Spring flows on the Tummel, Earn and Teith.(y)
 

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I used to use the old Wetcel 2 lines for trout fishing in drifting boats. It was a classic line and sank in a belly first U shape. The Di3 when it came out was firstly non stretch and also sank tip first. It was a great line and I believe fished the flies deeper than the Wetcel 2. Both had their place.
I can definitely recommend the Airflo 40+ sniper lines. These are my go to for Pike fishing and are excellent
 

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Have a look for a Snowbee intermediate switch line, it will work fine on the single hander, get the 425gr, works well on the Avon, coupled with a heavy fly.
Thanks Peter, I'm wanting to get away from the heavy flies and use aluminium or plastic tubes. Don't feel at all comfortable with 2” or bigger copper or brass tubes flying around in the unrelenting wind across the water meadows.
Being forced to Flyfish when we really should be spinning for safety reasons, considering it's 100% C&R just seems vindictive and a thinly veiled attempt to charge a license fee and then make it very difficult to succeed in actually catch anything.
 

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Thanks Peter, I'm wanting to get away from the heavy flies and use aluminium or plastic tubes. Don't feel at all comfortable with 2” or bigger copper or brass tubes flying around in the unrelenting wind across the water meadows.
Being forced to Flyfish when we really should be spinning for safety reasons, considering it's 100% C&R just seems vindictive and a thinly veiled attempt to charge a license fee and then make it very difficult to succeed in actually catch anything.
I often wonder why we cannot use a prawn early season, coarse fishermen can use anything, so why not us, until March 14th? Would be interesting to see if it made any difference to early season catch rates.
 

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I often wonder why we cannot use a prawn early season, coarse fishermen can use anything, so why not us, until March 14th? Would be interesting to see if it made any difference to early season catch rates.
Be careful what you wish for.
You might just bring it to too many peoples attention and end up with it banned
like in Scotland.
My favourite bait method------ever-----snatched away from me when I was right in my prime too.:(
 

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I'd be happy/ish to be restricted to spinning until 16th June like on the Itchen. At least with spinner you can feel you're at least in with a fair chance. The floating Devon method is absolutely perfect for early season and was perfected on the Avon as far as I know, exactly for the conditions there in early season.
I'm tempted to get out my 40yr old WF9 wet cell 2 and do some tests on it.
Incidentally, it's presently on a Winfield branded reel I bought in Woolworths, a Pflueger copy or licensed reel that appears to be indestructible. It's caught a few decent fish.
 

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I used to use the old Wetcel 2 lines for trout fishing in drifting boats. It was a classic line and sank in a belly first U shape. The Di3 when it came out was firstly non stretch and also sank tip first. It was a great line and I believe fished the flies deeper than the Wetcel 2. Both had their place.
I can definitely recommend the Airflo 40+ sniper lines. These are my go to for Pike fishing and are excellent
That's exactly why I'd like to reproduce that depth attainment without driving the fly into the bottom.
 

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I often wonder why we cannot use a prawn early season, coarse fishermen can use anything, so why not us, until March 14th? Would be interesting to see if it made any difference to early season catch rates.
Probably the rulers suspect deep hooking thus damage in all their wisdom and yes it would.
 

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Deep hooking of the terminal kind happens regardless of method, I have had casualties on fly and prawn, and seen many on spinners/worming, there is no realistic reason to ban any sporting method, apart from the pressure applied by fly fishing zealots!
 

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Nearest I ever found to the original Wet Cell 11 was the Michael Evans Arrowhead Medium Sink.
I recently bought one after last wearing one out around 10 years ago and never replacing and it has been duly attached to a spare spool
in preparation for fishing normal Spring flows on the Tummel, Earn and Teith.(y)
How do the arrowhead lines cast ? Got one on a hardy spool from ebay last year but never had a cast of it yet. Gave it to my dad to try on his 13ft vision first but hes not tried eirher.

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