Sea-trout in the salt

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There are places in Scotland where you may obtain written permission to fish on the coast or in estuaries for sea-trout, and with that in mind, I have been looking at the Pattegrissen fly used by anglers in Denmark. A few months ago I was fortunate enough to acquire a Whiting Bronze Spey cape in the prescribed colour of salmon pink, and intended to tie a few for using this season (B.V. - before the virus). Then a very famous Scottish angler told me he had found them to be useless here. Has anyone else tried them, I wonder?
 

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The only fly I have ever had any luck with is Falkus’ Sunk Lure. But very consistently.
I wonder if, certainly on the westerly coasts of the Briitsh Isles, we have a higher proportion of sandeels? Whereas the Danes have largely fished theirs out to feed to the pigs.
 

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I haven't tried the Pattegrissen at all Invermarnoch, I did think of tying a few up for the estuary/firth but mainly down to having more faith in sandeel/baitfish/streamers/scud patterns, it's on the back burner, plus I don't have any spey hackles which look much better on the pattern than dubbing looped fur etc.

It certainly is a very popular fly in the Baltic , mostly in the pinks and tan shades.

I suppose it's all down to confidence.

One pattern which really does travel well to these shores is Allan Overgaards "Sandstorm"
Simple but very effective. One guy local to me has done very well on it over the years

It's main ingredient is grizzle craft fur, and you can obviously have as much variety as you wish but I'm told that no flash or eyes etc are needed.

Be good to see you having success if you do go down the pattegrissen route

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There are places in Scotland where you may obtain written permission to fish on the coast or in estuaries for sea-trout, and with that in mind, I have been looking at the Pattegrissen fly used by anglers in Denmark. A few months ago I was fortunate enough to acquire a Whiting Bronze Spey cape in the prescribed colour of salmon pink, and intended to tie a few for using this season (B.V. - before the virus). Then a very famous Scottish angler told me he had found them to be useless here. Has anyone else tried them, I wonder?
Absolute nonsense! I don't believe that 'very famous scottish angler'.

Pattegrisen is an excellent fly and wherever sea trout (and or bass, pollack etc.) are hunting shrimps it will work.

If there are lots of shrimps in your area use a shrimp fly similar in size and colour (such as pattegrisen). If there are sticklebacks and gobies use a 'sand storm', if it's sandeels use a sandeel fly, if gammarus use a kobberbasen etc.
 

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successful saltwater sea trout patterns in Orkney seem to all have an orange theme to them.
Different areas will have different prey species so some top flies at one bit might not be so good at other locations.
Two estuaries near me where spinning was productive, one was better with copper lures, other one with silver, and they
wont be 5 miles apart.
 

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Thank-you, gentlemen, for all your positive responses and suggestions. For family reasons I am not able to apply myself to tying flies at the moment, but should be able to resume doing so soon. Alas, I suspect that I won't get to South Uist this year because of the virus. But there's always next year and I should have plenty new flies tied by then. I do love fly-tying - it's such an innocent, satisfying pastime.
 

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My answer is not yet.. i too am going down the pettigrissen route. Ive been wartching the baltic fishing with robert videos on youtube and a few others.

They fish a sandeel on the point and a pettigrissen on a dropper, or a scud type shrimp on the dropper.

Ive researched it and we have the same brown shrimp they do, in the same sizes - about 8cm. And the sea trout feed on them and sandeel exactly the same.

I have flatwing sandeels and olive over white clousers for the sandeels, and a dozen or so tan, white or grey n orange pettigrissen flies i bought on ebay.

So ill be fishing a river harbour, some mixed ground and some sand bars this summer and see how i get on.

I expect to catch one or two along with bass and maybe mullet. I have a couple of colin mcleods mullet patterns that ive tyed up to switch in to the dropper - mullet bach, and his silica shrimp.
 

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stayed in loch Maddy hotel North Uist. fishing was free to guests The reception asked me to come choose from a map where I wished to fish lots of fish showing tidal pools
 

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Does anyone have any experience fishing for sea trout in saltwater around islay ? Potentially going there this year ( covid uncertainty) and have been there before trying without much success!

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I have fished for sea trout in the salt, which is one of my angling passions, many times in the west of Ireland and more in the west of Scotland, and have tried many types of flies. Out of them all I found blue and silver patterns to be the most effective, sunk lures and teal blue and silvers being the best examples. I would have them tied on single and double hooks, and small plastic tubes, the latter being my favourite. I have tried a few of the Danish patterns on numerous occasions but generally didn’t have much success.
 

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I have a mate who is on islay at the moment and has been catching sea trout in the sea with the fly
Thanks Avomfisher. Any tips generally and on the types of flies? Last time I was there I mainly used old traditional flies (tealblue, medicine, peter ross), but didn't have much success.
 

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Thanks Avomfisher. Any tips generally and on the types of flies? Last time I was there I mainly used old traditional flies (tealblue, medicine, peter ross), but didn't have much success.
Heres a few ideas, keep it simple, sandeels & scuds should see you OK.
A few tandem lures, some Zonkers etc, nice slim profiles, wings with craft fur are also good👍
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