Sea Trout from the shore

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I’m thinking of spinning for sea trout from the shore as a Danish colleague of mine had convinced me to give it a try. I’m just wondering what the legalities are with this in Scotland. If you know of a river that has decent sea trout runs how close to the river mouth are you allowed to fish? Do I need a permit?
 

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Hi - Over in IRL you need a salmon/sea trout license. Plenty of people do it in Moy Estuary fairly successfully. They favor spinning a sandal and go right to the sea; channel coming in with tide is good bet.
 

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Clyde estuary is a good sea trout area for fishing from the shore both fly and spinning. Rush a member on here is the man to give you some information.
 

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I’m thinking of spinning for sea trout from the shore as a Danish colleague of mine had convinced me to give it a try. I’m just wondering what the legalities are with this in Scotland. If you know of a river that has decent sea trout runs how close to the river mouth are you allowed to fish? Do I need a permit?
I think that it is fair to say that with regards to this there are 2 opposing views.

One is that sea trout as migratory fish are considered in the same light as salmon and that 'rights' are established in law.

The other is that angling in salt water is basically free from restriction (and that believe it or not means up to the tidal high water mark - which may be miles up river)

Secondly, in law how can the term 'sea' trout be defined? Caught in saltwater? (at what salinity level though) or is it having once 'gone to sea' - but then at what salinity level is it 'sea' etc etc. Or is there a genetic difference?* :))) The truth is that there is no practical legal restriction prohibiting you to fish up to the high water mark (other than laws regarding access) and should you be challenged (or prosecuted in fact) there is no way of defining a sea trout for the purposes of law anyway.

Where does that leave you. I suppose the fact is that your rights to fish in all saltwaters are much stronger than many riparian owners would accept. Some will fight their corner and make it as difficult and hostile as possible, some accept that their rights don't in fact extend as far as they had believed.

On the Kyle of Tongue for example you had to pay for a st permit, a few years ago they suspended this due to the realisation that they may have been erroneously charging outside of their rights.

Don't know if that helps, to preserve 'niceities' it might be appropriate to make local enquiries as the law and some riparian owners expectations are at odds. I'm not a lawyer so don't base your defence on this but I would be happy to visit you in the big house if the worst comes to the worst:)



correction, not KOT but Kyle of Durness


* no :)
 
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I believe that the EA licence ,which covers England and Wales , is valid for up to 2 miles off the shore. This would be the migratory version and would be influenced by local bylaws and permissions for access etc.
I know many anglers over the years that have caught sea trout by accident and kept them , probably without a licence.Despite many, many years of fishing inshore waters for bass using fly ,spinner and live sand eels from boat and shore ,I have never caught one.
 

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If you are intending to target sea trout in the sea, but a permit, although if you catch one by mistake when sea fishing, as long as you return it, you are breaking no laws.
To be on the safe side, if there is sea weed on the rocks/gravel/sand where you are fishing in an estuary, no bailiff operating within his powers can stop you fishing there.
The bailiff should ask what you are fishing for, then take it from there.
 
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Which estuary are you planning on fishing? I’ve spent years fishing for sea trout in the Tay estuary both from on the shore and on my wee boat. Fly fishing and spinning. You need a permit though. They are only £17 for the whole season and can be bought from the Dundee council building Dundee house. It covers migratory fish so both salmon and sea trout. I’d imagine similar permits will be supplied from Glasgow/Edinburgh council for the Clyde and Forth.
 

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The L.L.A.I.A. control the Clyde estuary on the North bank of the Clyde West to Kilcreggan.
http://www.lochlomondangling.com/2018/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/map_clyde.jpg
This is part of a River Leven ticket at £130/ season and is bailliffed although I have no idea what the legal position is and if in fact anyone has actually been prosecuted for being in possession of sea trout without permission? Perhaps an L.L.A.I.A. official would clarify?
Anyway, I do know anglers who fish regularly on the South bank from about Langbank to Largs and are pretty successful with apparently no permit in place from any authority.
So, it's a kind of mixed bag, really.:nod:
 

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In Scotland, think you may be allowed to fish for them but you may not have a legal right of access across the foreshore: presumably the permits for the Tay and Clyde estuaries give you right of access.

In England and Wales, you need a rod licence to fish for salmon and sea trout, whether in freshwater or salt, out to a limit which I can’t remember but billy fish’s 2 miles is in the right ballpark.
 

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The L.L.A.I.A. control the Clyde estuary on the North bank of the Clyde West to Kilcreggan.
http://www.lochlomondangling.com/2018/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/map_clyde.jpg
This is part of a River Leven ticket at £130/ season and is bailliffed although I have no idea what the legal position is and if in fact anyone has actually been prosecuted for being in possession of sea trout without permission? Perhaps an L.L.A.I.A. official would clarify?
Anyway, I do know anglers who fish regularly on the South bank from about Langbank to Largs and are pretty successful with apparently no permit in place from any authority.
So, it's a kind of mixed bag, really.:nod:
I'm sure you can buy an estuary only ticket that is cheaper from tickers tackle in helensburgh, best contacting the secretary to confirm.
 

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Rosslinden0 is correct, the L.L.A.I.A do sell estuary only permits and availible only from Tickers Tackle in Helensburgh (£65) for the season and covers the Clyde estuary as per map on L.L.A.I.A Website as keirstream kindly indicated, The R Leven Day or weekly permits and full memberships also cover the estuary waters.

Fishing for salmon and as such the terms of the Salmon and Freshwater Fisheries (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 2003 determines that Salmon also means Sea Trout as it covers all Salmonids, so its the species that it applies to. The offence is under Sec6 of the Act "Fishing for salmon without right or permission
(1)Any person who without legal right, or without written permission from a person having such right, fishes for or takes salmon in any waters, including any part of the sea within 1.5 kilometres of mean low water springs, shall be guilty of an offence,"

So as you can read there is no distance from the specific mouth of a river its marked by the low water spring.

The L.L.A.I.A do actively do bailiff the Clyde estuary and they have had numerous successes at court where people have committed the above offence.

I think on other threads its been mentioned before, it is the written right to fish for those species that is required and of course thats why carrying a valid permit is important as that is formally your written permission. Failure to provide that written permission, is when the difficulties start.

Cheers GTB.
 

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The L.L.A.I.A do actively do bailiff the Clyde estuary and they have had numerous successes at court where people have committed the above offence.

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Thanks for clarifying G. I always wondered about that.:thumb:
Who issues tickets for the South shore?
 

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Probably the most confusing set of rules in Scotland regarding the rules and ownership of fishing rights for Salmon/Sea Trout in tidal stretches. Too complicated for me so i just leave well alone and let the brave chase silver in the estuaries. I know there will be lots of anglers who get great sport and catch quite a few in the tidal mouths but not for me.
 
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