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Also, does anyone use "outpoint" trebles when night fishing. Amazing how hard a seatrout can pull a fly and not get the hook 🤔
 

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What's everyone's favourite surface lures for the seatrout lads, be coming in numbers about now onwards, do you prefer the muddler type? Or has anyone got any homemade specials they would like to share?. I feel something in the surface film rather than fully on the surface should work better, quite a quiet forum this year lads, granted not much has happened on the river mind you
Hi Lewis, I've been known on occasion to tie on a surface lure (about 95% of the time I tackle up) and have written a how to guide on tying the fly I use. I think it was on the sea trout section on this site. I would search back through my post history to find a link for you but as many on here will testify, searching through my post history is boring and likely to send even me to sleep.

Anyway, I think you are right about being in the surface rather than on it which is why I use skinny tube flies with just a bit of foam tied in at the head and tail.

I also retrieve quite quickly, a fast figure of eight is best. Gives the fly some action. I'll retrieve even in faster glides as I think the surface lure is designed to trigger that predator instinct.

3-4 years ago was the best sport. On my favourite pool at page bank I would sometimes get 10-12 follows, gloops, plucks and smashing into the fly every time down the pool. I reckon I would hook up 1 out of 10 of the fish that showed interest, so it can be frustrating. However, it's never usually completely dark so you can usually hear, and often see and feel every bit of interest in the fly which can make it very, very exciting.

The fishing was pretty good back then so I could experiment like taking one run down with surface lure, one run down a few inches under the surface, one run again with surface lure, and it was obvious something about yhe surface lure was triggering lots of interest. I could also try different types of surface lure and it was fairly consistent that a floating skinny tube fly in the surface and making a nice wake was much better than the big bulky surface lures which often skate on the surface. I can't remember ever catching on big and bulky muddler types on the Wear and I tried plenty.

I've since found after talking to a few chaps on the river that a few old hands fish similar style with plastic tubes and waking the fly across the pool in the surface. I just add a bit of foam to make the wake more consistent.

It's definitely worth a try Lewis. The black and silver caught the most fish. Green is the secret colour on the Wear but don't tell anyone. ;) :ROFLMAO:

the black bits top and tail are the neoprene foam with a hole punched through the centre and pushed onto the tube fly after tying.
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Also, does anyone use "outpoint" trebles when night fishing. Amazing how hard a seatrout can pull a fly and not get the hook 🤔
No. I lost over 30 in a row last season, on and off in a second or two. B'stards! I'm OK though unless someone reminds me of it.

See my last post...hooking 1 or 2 every 10 offers is about what I do for surface lure so 30 in a row is like losing just 3 fish. That's how I deal with it anyway:)

I am currently balancing between fishing other methods which may have much higher hooking percentage but much less overall action, against what can be very frustrating and exciting with the surface lure.
 

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I like them John, sure I can remember the skinny foam ones from the other season haha, will have to tie some up n give em a go. Thanks for sharing the patterns 🎣👍
 

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Strangely enough, the best surface lure that caught me fish was by accident. About 30 years a go i tied a fry pattern to use on stillwaters for rainbows, but i couldnt get it to sink. I tried it on the Wear out of desperation and i got the most amazing take with the fish leaving the water when it took. I eventually lost that fly and cant really remember what actually what materials i used for tying it. Apart for the body.
 

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What's everyone's favourite surface lures for the seatrout lads, be coming in numbers about now onwards, do you prefer the muddler type? Or has anyone got any homemade specials they would like to share?. I feel something in the surface film rather than fully on the surface should work better, quite a quiet forum this year lads, granted not much has happened on the river mind you
Fish your normal point fly and on the dropper fish something like a bibio or a invicta slightly greased up to make a small wake. Full blown surface lures are not good fish takers.
 

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Fish your normal point fly and on the dropper fish something like a bibio or a invicta slightly greased up to make a small wake. Full blown surface lures are not good fish takers.
Aye, very specialised ant they graham always worth a go for an hour and could take the nicer fish. Do we think waking lures across the pools can put the seatrout down/off?
 

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Aye, very specialised ant they graham always worth a go for an hour and could take the nicer fish. Do we think waking lures across the pools can put the seatrout down/off?
Not in my experience. A few times I'd go down first with a surface lure and if none of them actually took the thing I'd swap to a standard tube fished slightly deeper and pay very special attention to those lies where I got lots of interest first time down.

It's one of the things I liked about the surface lure....great for finding out where the fish are lying.

There was one particular spot where I used to start fishing every night and within 3 casts most times I'd have a fish on or at least an offer. I took a friend down there last year and set him away in the same spot and 2nd cast he landed a 5lb sea trout but not on the surface lure. Made my day that.
Up until I started fishing with surface lure I'd have walked right past that and many other spots most times but it was a lie which served me very well for 4-5 seasons.

Couple more things...they never worked well for me in water more than about 3-4 foot deep. Pool tails were great spots, and glides between pools, but also those long slow sections you get in places where it doesn't get more than 3 foot deep or so. There's a few likely places like that down Holywell and page bank.
 

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Right, enuff sh1te from me.....

What's everyone' favourite night time Wear sea trout fly, describe your favourite River Wear pool (you don't have to locate it) and a quick story of the the most memorable capture at night on the small but magnificent River Wear...

That should keep me going until next time out which isn't likely for a week or so.. :)
 

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What's everyone's favourite surface lures for the seatrout lads, be coming in numbers about now onwards, do you prefer the muddler type? Or has anyone got any homemade specials they would like to share?. I feel something in the surface film rather than fully on the surface should work better, quite a quiet forum this year lads, granted not much has happened on the river mind you
I’ve not had much success for a while off surface lures and so I tend to fish em with a negative mind which never results in fish on the bank imo?
That said going back to when I did used to catch on the surface lure it was always a simple white muddler which always worked a treat. That was before my head got burnt about should it be in the surface film or on it and wether using the floatant gink actually did any good on a muddler fly?
 

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Not in my experience. A few times I'd go down first with a surface lure and if none of them actually took the thing I'd swap to a standard tube fished slightly deeper and pay very special attention to those lies where I got lots of interest first time down.

It's one of the things I liked about the surface lure....great for finding out where the fish are lying.

There was one particular spot where I used to start fishing every night and within 3 casts most times I'd have a fish on or at least an offer. I took a friend down there last year and set him away in the same spot and 2nd cast he landed a 5lb sea trout but not on the surface lure. Made my day that.
Up until I started fishing with surface lure I'd have walked right past that and many other spots most times but it was a lie which served me very well for 4-5 seasons.

Couple more things...they never worked well for me in water more than about 3-4 foot deep. Pool tails were great spots, and glides between pools, but also those long slow sections you get in places where it doesn't get more than 3 foot deep or so. There's a few likely places like that down Holywell and page bank.
There’s a pool I know on the Dwyfor which is particularly big and it’s not even deep. Has cover over one side from a big beech tree and the other side is a gravel/shingle place. Doesn’t matter how low it is, by midnight in summer all the fish from above drop back into this pool and never do they jump or show but it can hold as much as twenty to thirty fish of all sizes as they face upstream. It’s known as a worming pool but I’m wondering if a surface fly would be worth using as it would be just a foot or two max above their heads?
As crazy as it sounds I’ve never fished it as it’s a pool on my way back and I only discovered these fish when upon walking back along the private side my headtorch picked up a load of luminous glows in the water which suddenly started to move around the pool.
Fishing it from the off would mean waiting on my side and waiting for complete dark.
 

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Thanks John for the inspiration to get on the vice for the first time in a while not a surface lure but I like the Green for sure in tubes 👍🎣

Veinard slipstream aluminium 1 1/4"
Black bucktail
Oval silver (med) rib+tag
Green holographic tinsel body
Veinards soft rubber tubing
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2 strands of crystal mirror flash
 

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Thanks John for the inspiration to get on the vice for the first time in a while not a surface lure but I like the Green for sure in tubes 👍🎣

Veinard slipstream aluminium 1 1/4"
Black bucktail
Oval silver (med) rib+tag
Green holographic tinsel body
Veinards soft rubber tubing
Thread UTC 140D
2 strands of crystal mirror flash
What do they look like when fished? I’m presuming half of the fly will be under the water which is probably a good thing?
My late fishing pal was a lazy trout angler and hated using traditional dries with floatant and would often try and use the foam beetle things which would usually sink like a stone lol.
 

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Thanks John for the inspiration to get on the vice for the first time in a while not a surface lure but I like the Green for sure in tubes 👍🎣

Veinard slipstream aluminium 1 1/4"
Black bucktail
Oval silver (med) rib+tag
Green holographic tinsel body
Veinards soft rubber tubing
Thread UTC 140D
2 strands of crystal mirror flash
Very nice Lewis. Much tidier than my efforts and sufficiently skinny and lightly tied to be a very good Wear sea trout fly. I can't remember who it was told me green was a very good colour on the Wear but I've had a few on flies just like that over the years. Sure that'll catch.
There's a "peacock" tinsel which is orange/copper on one side and green on the other. I often use that green side up on tubes.
 

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Very nice Lewis. Much tidier than my efforts and sufficiently skinny and lightly tied to be a very good Wear sea trout fly. I can't remember who it was told me green was a very good colour on the Wear but I've had a few on flies just like that over the years. Sure that'll catch.
There's a "peacock" tinsel which is orange/copper on one side and green on the other. I often use that green side up on tubes.
Yea, I like the mylar tinsel looks really good on small sparse doubles. Doctors and even garry dogs for the salmon even tho they are not traditionally tied with that sort. A mate of mine who catches alot of fish on a night switched to the exact tinsell you're talking about and started hooking fish after nothing up till then. Even hooked and landed a salmon in the dead of night 🤣🤣🤣
 

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Lovely fish last night, weighed at 9-9.5lb caught on a skinny 1.5" black and silver tube with a little bit of weight from copper wire tied behind the head so maybe 1-2 foot down at most.
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First time out with the new set up. It's a 5 weight switch maxcatch rod, reel, skagit. I am used to fishing 8-9 weight all my life but wanted to try something much lighter to add a bit of stealth to my fishing. Bought a cheap set up in case I hated the light weight. I was really pleased with it, apart from the fish, it cast extremely well right across the river with a simple roll cast and landed like a feather on the watwr. It handled the wind last night. It's my new night fishing set up for sure. I'll leave the 8-9 switch and DH for daytime high water.
 

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Lovely fish last night, weighed at 9-9.5lb caught on a skinny 1.5" black and silver tube with a little bit of weight from copper wire tied behind the head so maybe 1-2 foot down at most.
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First time out with the new set up. It's a 5 weight switch maxcatch rod, reel, skagit. I am used to fishing 8-9 weight all my life but wanted to try something much lighter to add a bit of stealth to my fishing. Bought a cheap set up in case I hated the light weight. I was really pleased with it, apart from the fish, it cast extremely well right across the river with a simple roll cast and landed like a feather on the watwr. It handled the wind last night. It's my new night fishing set up for sure. I'll leave the 8-9 switch and DH for daytime high water.
Stunning fish a proper wear fish congratulations John a great start to you're season, that's what its all about!!
 

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Lovely fish last night, weighed at 9-9.5lb caught on a skinny 1.5" black and silver tube with a little bit of weight from copper wire tied behind the head so maybe 1-2 foot down at most.
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First time out with the new set up. It's a 5 weight switch maxcatch rod, reel, skagit. I am used to fishing 8-9 weight all my life but wanted to try something much lighter to add a bit of stealth to my fishing. Bought a cheap set up in case I hated the light weight. I was really pleased with it, apart from the fish, it cast extremely well right across the river with a simple roll cast and landed like a feather on the watwr. It handled the wind last night. It's my new night fishing set up for sure. I'll leave the 8-9 switch and DH for daytime high water.
Stunning fish, great to see one of the big uns in tip top nick 👍
 

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Lovely fish last night, weighed at 9-9.5lb caught on a skinny 1.5" black and silver tube with a little bit of weight from copper wire tied behind the head so maybe 1-2 foot down at most.
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First time out with the new set up. It's a 5 weight switch maxcatch rod, reel, skagit. I am used to fishing 8-9 weight all my life but wanted to try something much lighter to add a bit of stealth to my fishing. Bought a cheap set up in case I hated the light weight. I was really pleased with it, apart from the fish, it cast extremely well right across the river with a simple roll cast and landed like a feather on the watwr. It handled the wind last night. It's my new night fishing set up for sure. I'll leave the 8-9 switch and DH for daytime high water.
That's fantastic and pleased you like the Maxcatch rod. Was it the V Switch #5 and what line were you using?
 
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