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Thanks Andrew It is becoming more difficult these days to find anything positive to write about as I have always tried to keep my reports interesting and as positive as is possible. I agree its great when anglers let me know about their catches, but there is usually other things happening on the rivers to add that other bit of interest. I think reports just giving names of anglers are a bit boring to read and are really only interesting to Joe Bloggs who has caught a fish. I cant get about redd counting these days as I could but I have some very reliable friends who do, so they will keep me up to date. The more fish we have spawning up above the Foss better will be survival rates if we have very big and damaging winter floods. Thanks again and keep on reading.
Fred
Couldn’t agree more and as I’ve been a subscriber for so long it’s surprising how many of the stories from your reports have stayed in the memory👏
 

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£82 for a salmon &ST licence. Ribble at about 92% C&R already. I havnt taken one for ten years - i dont want to take one....... so can anybody tell me why we have to pay more than just a normal rod licence.... I would love to know ?
The only answer I can give to this is to stop every angler being able to fish for salmon Boo.
This really winds me up, paying nearly 3 times the price of trout & coarse angler…
 

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£82 for a salmon &ST licence. Ribble at about 92% C&R already. I havnt taken one for ten years - i dont want to take one....... so can anybody tell me why we have to pay more than just a normal rod licence.... I would love to know ?
Time was, when I’d welcome seeing the EA asking if I had a migratory license as it meant that they were at least on the ground doing something. Now though, given they can’t even fight the many pollution incidents it does make you wonder?
 

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Probably near 200 visits to the Ribble in the last few seasons and still not seen an EA bailiff. Around 40 years ago I went on Ribble after chub on New year's Day, an EA bailiff walked around half a mile to see my licence as I was the only angler on that bit of water that was back in the days when licences ran from January to December so he probably thought he could catch someone out.

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Probably near 200 visits to the Ribble in the last few seasons and still not seen an EA bailiff. Around 40 years ago I went on Ribble after chub on New year's Day, an EA bailiff walked around half a mile to see my licence as I was the only angler on that bit of water
that was back in the days when licences ran from January to December so he probably thought he could catch someone out.

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Probably near 200 visits to the Ribble in the last few seasons and still not seen an EA bailiff. Around 40 years ago I went on Ribble after chub on New year's Day, an EA bailiff walked around half a mile to see my licence as I was the only angler on that bit of water that was back in the days when licences ran from January to December so he probably thought he could catch someone out.

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The bailiff on the North Tyne is quite busy. Last time I saw him my licence was in the car which my friend had driven to the bottom of the beat. He said he would take my details and check them on the computer later, but to do that he would have to give me a caution - but he couldn’t remember the words to use. I helped him out (I am a big fan of police dramas) so I told him the words which he then repeated to me. So that was OK.
 

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I spoke to an EA bailiff a few years ago. He said that there were only 4 full-time bailiffs in the north-west that police waters between the Welsh and Scottish borders. Given that they tend to work in pairs and that there would be daytime and night duties, this effectively reduces the river presence at any one time to two. They just work on tip-offs I guess or delegate their work to club bailiffs, anglers in general and the police. They have the same powers of arrest as the police I think. In nearly 40 years of game fishing I have only come across them on duty the once. That was on the Cumbrian Irt.
 

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I spoke to an EA bailiff a few years ago. He said that there were only 4 full-time bailiffs in the north-west that police waters between the Welsh and Scottish borders. Given that they tend to work in pairs and that there would be daytime and night duties, this effectively reduces the river presence at any one time to two. They just work on tip-offs I guess or delegate their work to club bailiffs, anglers in general and the police. They have the same powers of arrest as the police I think. In nearly 40 years of game fishing I have only come across them on duty the once. That was on the Cumbrian Irt.
Good lads doing a tough job I know one of them they are very dedicated individuals who I suspect have bigger fish to fry ( Pardon the pun ) at present than checking anglers licences
 

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Good lads doing a tough job I know one of them they are very dedicated individuals who I suspect have bigger fish to fry ( Pardon the pun ) at present than checking anglers licences
I don't think anyone would disagree with this, the issue is there's not enough of them.

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£82 for a salmon &ST licence. Ribble at about 92% C&R already. I havnt taken one for ten years - i dont want to take one....... so can anybody tell me why we have to pay more than just a normal rod licence.... I would love to know ?
got my first rod license this year , not a salmon one , if the EA comes along and asks what I am fishing for I will
say , none migratory predators , no close season too.
 

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I hadn’t been approached by a bailiff for years back in my coarse fishing days.
I can say I’ve had my license checked 3 times in the last 8 yrs or so & it’s always been in October..
I think this is to try & catch out non migratory anglers fishing for salmon….
 

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Twice in 25 years, one of them was in a fishing hut!!! Bailiff was having a brew with the Ghillie that's how he checked every day...
The one I met 30 years ago was sitting on the bonnet of his green van on the Welsh Dee talking to one of the Welsh fellas I know, it was only when he heard my accent he jumped up like someone had plugged him in the mains and demanded my license, that’s the one and only I’ve come across
 
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I've been checked loads of times!.Used to get checked every single time on the Div.1 National, without fail. Bank holidays in the close season too on the put n take trout fisheries and then later on the commercial muddy puddle carp fisheries, easy job that, the bailiffs would get loads then.
When I use to fish the Trent a lot and it was the days of regional licences and not a single country wide licence, you'd get checked every time shortly after 1st of January and again after 1st or 16th of June when the coarse season opened. It was like shelling peas in those days, after January until the end of the season in March the Trent would be lined out every sat and sun, there was so many Anglers they always got some one.
When I first joined my Ribble club, I'd get checked regular away, suppose my car No. plate was the give away there in the car park, esp. when it was the only one there!.
Got to know the bailiff quite well, lol, once he got to know me after a year or two, not been checked since.
In this day and age, it'll be like TV licences , if you don't renew and they have a record of you owning a licence, your cars parked up, dead give away.Smart phones do 1/2 their job for them!, especially if PC Book em Danno is with him.
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A row of coarse anglers lined up in a match on a given date easy touch for them, while our rivers are like open sewers the ea are just ripping us off, money for old rope.
 
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On a slightly different tack but nevertheless related to potential river pollution and the health of our rivers. The toothless EA. needs to confront the gross illegal dumping that has been going on unprosecuted for decades. The EA needs more manpower and effective legal support to safeguard our rivers from potential/inevitable toxic leakage .
 

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The bailiff on the North Tyne is quite busy. Last time I saw him my licence was in the car which my friend had driven to the bottom of the beat. He said he would take my details and check them on the computer later, but to do that he would have to give me a caution - but he couldn’t remember the words to use. I helped him out (I am a big fan of police dramas) so I told him the words which he then repeated to me. So that was OK.
Lol stop it😂 that’s so funny.
I suppose some folk could intentionally pull that one off by giving the details of a friend who had a license but it’s easy done leaving it behind.
My cousin who only pays for the Trout and course license has been on at the EA about a stretch of river near him that has a workshop on the site of a pulled down mill, where they’ve been cutting through the huge slabs of York Stone to make paving slabs. He’s noticed how all of the Stone dust is turning into a clay like mud and going directly into the river and he reckons its destroyed the prolific trout and Grayling fishing and yet the EA have done nothing to help.

I was under the illusion that our license fees were for stuff like this?
 

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Couple of years ago I was spinning on the Itchen in May. Was approached by an EA bailiff and I immediately offered my licence he declined to inspect it!
I must have an honest look about me.
 

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Probably because the government knows anglers will buy them... as pissed off as we all get about blanking, there's always that one occasion, usually that first settled warm spell in April with good water on that forces us out on the Ribble, for that privelage costs eighty odd quid, a bit less for a toy licence.

Good little documentary on 4 recently about the plight of sockeye on the snake River in BC, the runs have all but dissapeared with all the huge hydro electric dams and so on, what's sad is the river is its own self generating ecosystem, if you take one thing out of it it has a knock on effect for everything else in it... Kill the salmon runs and kill the river imo.
Sounded a familiar tale. 😭
£82 for a salmon &ST licence. Ribble at about 92% C&R already. I havnt taken one for ten years - i dont want to take one....... so can anybody tell me why we have to pay more than just a normal rod licence.... I would love to know ?
 

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Probably not what we want to hear, but I have learned how much fishing, specifically Salmon Angling, has been subsidised by the general taxpayer for years. The reality is that governments of all persuasion no longer wish to subside fisheries including Salmon fisheries. Sustaining a Salmon River is a separate argument that we can use to help our objectives.

The latest data we can review is 2019/20. The report shows approximately 940,000 licences issued to 835,000 individuals, raising about 20 Million in revenue; only 31,000 individuals were Non-migratory licences (less than 4%). Hence the massive decline in funding to support Salmon Fisheries and the Anglers. Additionally, as the proposition of overall spend relative to income/participation, this causes resentment through many Coarse Anglers and their representatives, particularly those with zero links to a Salmon River.

An example of Anglers relevance is CSO's. Anglers and EA Officers on the ground gained minimal transaction. Politicians only started to look over their shoulders when wild swimmers, Surfers, etc., piggybacked the Rivers Trust work. Angling Groups then pushed with the other parties, and movement has happened. At the same time, Angling gained more publicity as participation numbers increased through lockdowns.

So what's the answer if we want to achieve betterment across our catchment, particularly our desperate Salmon?

Develop partnerships with bodies that can take our initial seed funding for 'X' project and multiply it into a viable and deliverable project. Whether we agree or not, "he who pays the piper calls the tune" You can be assured other bodies are doing just that! We will have to fund it ourselves, either through hard cash or sweat equity.

I think we have to take a holistic approach to create betterment which may mean in some cases, 'X' project may not benefit a localised area or individual club.

On a separate note - Can I ask anyone who witnesses a Pollution or Environmental Impact on our Catchment Reports via the RFCA Homepage http://www.ribblefisheriesca.co.uk/ Over the past year this has worked very well and allows us to create a database of incidents, we can question the relevant bodies over the outcomes. When using the direct phone number, it goes into the EA Silo and is lost.

In the coming weeks, we (RFCA) will release an APP that you can load onto your Phones for the Ribble Catchment to help us collect relevant data including Pollution, Poaching, etc. As we approach the New Year can I ask anyone who isn't a member of the RFCA considers joining? To join visit the RFCA Homepage. The £1.66 per month (£20 per year) help to generate the funds we can use for protecting and creating betterment. In the past month, we have spent almost £2,000 helping to train more FlyLife Kick Samplers who get in the rivers monitoring and purchase a couple of specialist lasers to assist our Area Based Licence Holders bird scaring. Re the website, we are in the initial stages of renewing the website to take into account changing times and to make it more relevant to the current Catchment.
 
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