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This winter's fish counts are interesting, especially the one in January for the Hodder. On the afternoon of the 15th when the data was being analysed a large shoal of 193 fish were counted up and through. We can only think these were probably a large shoal of grayling moving up river. Until later in the year when the data is analysed more closely only then will we know the actual length of these fish helping to determine what species.
The only other way of identifying is by the use of an underwater video camera and this is far too expensive. When we subtract this 193 from the month's total of 279 fish counted up we are left with a more realistic figure of 86. These fish are probably late salmon running from last autumn and which the Hodder is well known to have
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Thanks, the figure of 86 is more in line with last years count. I thought it especially odd given the low temperatures at the time.

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I had a look down on the river calder this evening, their well on the way with the fish pass. Im looking forward to seeing salmon and sea trout beyond the Padiham in the future.
 
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Is it worth a chuck tomorrow afternoon? I don't have much hope of a fish but might be nice to have a couple of hours...
 
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Trust Update

I have been sadly neglecting visits to the forum due to the work at the trust taking up all my time at the moment. I see Fred has been touting for members of the RFCA a plenty. I try not to step on toes and ask here but I am making an exception tonight. Although I can't offer web cam access I can tell you that all money received by the trust goes into the river and improving habitat, tackling pollution and working on barriers to migration to name just a few of the things we do. Soon you can join the trust online at www.ribbletrust.org.uk but not jsut yet (in a week or so).

So what do you get for your money? Well in 2010:

2 weir removals - weir removals are always the best, they are cheaper than fish passes, and it gets all the gravel built up behind them downstream where fish can spawn on them

4 fish easements - anyone who has been to a presentation at the recently will have seen the weir with salmon throwing themselves at it over and over, we're getting this sorted.

4 fish passes - one on the calder three on the ribble

4 habitat improvement schemes

How many projects have the EA done themselves directly in the last few years?

2 - but they do HELP to fund some of our projects, and their guys on the ground support us however they can. but it falls short and this is where we need members and donations.

There are over 80 more barriers to migration literally thousands of kilometres of habitat improvement needed and plenty of education to be done. All this will put more fish in the system for us to angle for.

Can't we get grants for all of this?

No - not for all of it. If we can contribute at least 25% of any project cost it improves our chances of getting a grant for the rest of it.

How else can I help?

Volunteer - simple planting trees, help us remove weirs, plant rannuculus, invertebrate sample, bank revetment, electro fishing and loads more.

If you want to know more about what we do then we will be at the PAA open day with a decent stand this year, also there's my blog at www.ribbletrust.org.uk. you can get my contact details there as well.

I'm going to head out for the first time this year on sunday - I hope! Tight lines all.
 

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"Cast"vote in the election

I have just received the following and I thought it worth putting on the Forum. If anybody wishes to post it on another page please do so. It concerns all anglers and well worth taking the time to read. Some may see it as being political and not for this salmon forum, but I disagree as it is important for possibly protecting all angling and not just salmon.
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David Cameron talks candidly to Angling Times about his vision for angling
By Angling Times

General News

25 March 2010 11:20


“Angling isn’t just safe, we will actively promote it. I am a fan of fishing.”
That is the reassuring message David Cameron sent out this week as he looked to convince the nation’s anglers that his party deserves your vote.
In an exclusive interview with AT, he spelled out his plans for the sport’s future if the Conservatives win the next General Election.
Speaking candidly from his offices in Westminster, the 43-year-old Leader of the Opposition covered a range of issues from predation and the rod licence, to the role of the Environment Agency and pollution.
The meeting was also attended by Angling Times columnist Martin Bowler and Shadow Fisheries Minister Richard Benyon.

AT Can you tell us if you’ve ever fished?

David Cameron “I’ve got quite a good fishing heritage. My grandfather was a brilliant fly fisherman and I remember when we went on holiday together up in North Wales and we had a picnic on the banks of the River Clwyd. My sock floated off down the river and he cast for it and got it on the third time. It was 20 yards downstream and flying down the river, and I remember thinking ‘what a God among men’. He was a very good angler and also had pike to 24lb.
“I still do a bit of fishing, but not as much as I’d like to. I went mackerel fishing with the children this summer and we ate everything we caught, I’m pleased to say. I do a very good smoked mackerel paté.”

AT How important do you perceive recreational angling to be in this country?

David Cameron “Incredibly important. There are four million people who, in one way or another, take part in fishing and it’s an incredibly widespread sport that a lot of people get an enormous amount of pleasure out of.
“I am an outdoors person. I love growing my own vegetables, I love being in the countryside, I love walking, I like fishing. I like all these things. It is a great way to spend time outdoors and to have a pastime, to take exercise, and it’s something we should be encouraging.
“Fishing is very good on every level. Whether it is well-being, whether it is bio-diversity, whether it is understanding nature, I’m a fan and a supporter.”

AT What can anglers expect from a Conservative Government?

David Cameron “To be listened to, I think that’s the first thing. If you look at the team in the DEFRA department, you’ve got Richard Benyon, Jim Paice and Nick Herbert (all members of the shadow department of the environment, food and rural affairs).
“These are all people who understand the countryside, who love the countryside, who understand country sports and want to support and promote them. You will have no problem being listened to, being heard, being understood. Also on the back benches, we’ve got a fair few fishermen.”

AT Cormorants and otters are both predators currently causing havoc on many of the UK’s natural waterways. Can you promise anglers that you will review the current licensing procedure for controlling these creatures?

David Cameron “I think what we’d want to do is talk to the different countryside organisations, whether it’s Natural England or whoever else, and just make sure these policies are genuinely promoting bio-diversity. And we must not have policies that over-emphasise one species over another. I think it’s a bit like people who say it would be lovely to bring wolves back. Well, actually no, not really!
“It’s all very well but if you bring back creatures that are at the top of the food pyramid, you create quite a lot of issues for those lower down that pyramid.
“So I think sensible conversations based on genuine science and bio-diversity rather than a cuddliness test are required.”

AT Anglers often complain about paying for a rod licence. Would you ever considering scrapping what many believe is an unfair tax?

David Cameron “I remember a previous Conservative leader said he thought it was time to get rid of this – and I’m all in favour of getting rid of red tape and bureaucracy – but there were quite a lot of objections raised the other way. Richard, where are we on rod licences?”
Richard Benyon: “It’s one of the few hypothecated taxes, in that the revenue is spent directly on those it’s taken from. What’s happened in the past is the rest of the money that’s gone into fishing is Grant in Aid and that’s been alarmingly sliced. It’s probably a discussion we can have with people like Martin Bowler…”
David Cameron “What we can promise you is that we will have proper conversation and if it’s genuinely hypothecated and works, keep it, if it isn’t and it’s bureaucracy, scrap it.”

AT Anglers also believe the Environment Agency – the body that collects the rod licence money – does an inadequate job, largely because it has so many other responsibilities above and beyond looking after fishing. Do you have any plans for the Agency?

David Cameron “It will be subject to our quango review. What we’ve said about these quangos is that if they have a technical function, or if there is a reason they have to be separate from Government, then they should continue. But where they have started to imitate Government and have great policy directorates and communication directorates, that’s when they should either be scrapped or be folded back into the Government. Then they can get on with the core job that they have – namely looking after and protecting Britain’s waterways.
“I know that people have a lot of frustrations with the Environment Agency. They have a lot of different people to satisfy, that’s part of the problem.”

AT Pollution is one of the major causes of fish deaths every year. Yet those who are guilty of doing it often end up receiving paltry fines. Can you assure anglers that those found to have committed environmental crimes will be fined accordingly?

David Cameron “The fines are small. We are looking at that. We think there could be a case for stiffer fines because it has to be a deterrent. Also, it sends a signal if there is a tough fine for people doing wrong. It says ‘this is not a minor offence’ and we’re in favour of that.”

AT Under the current Government, fishing had its own ‘Angling Minister’ in Martin Salter MP. Will the Conservatives look to continue this trend?

David Cameron “I think Martin Salter has done a good job speaking up for the industry. He’s obviously going and you’ll have plenty of people on our side like Charles Walker, Mike Penning and Richard (Benyon) who’ll do a good job.
“There are two things. Within the DEFRA team you want to be absolutely clear that there is someone with the responsibility for fishing, who’s going to listen to all the different voices of fishing. But the idea of having someone on the back benches who has a special relationship with the sport, I certainly don’t rule that out. If we find the right person, it’s a good idea.”

AT Coarse anglers make up the lion’s share of fishermen in this country. Yet there still seems to be a natural – and financial – bias towards the game fishing community. Can you assure Britain’s coarse anglers that they are of equal value?

David Cameron “We need to make sure we don’t over-emphasise game fishing as against coarse fishing. We need to be balanced. We won’t forget sea anglers either, who are one of the fastest growing parts of fishing.”

AT Will you look to seek advice before making policy decisions when it comes to recreational angling?

David Cameron “I think that’s where the Angling Trust comes in and where a listening Government comes in. Where there are things that need to be done, we will act – whether it is issues of licensing, issues of illegal fishing, problems about pollution – are the punishments tough enough for people who pollute? – the whole issue of access, what are we going to do as we reform the Common Fisheries Policy, how do we develop Marine Conservation Zones, what role do sea anglers play? We are doing a lot of thinking, but we want to talk to everyone involved and make sure we have evidence-based policy.”

AT How can you assure anglers that the Conservative Party is the party for anglers?

David Cameron “First of all, the leader of the party likes fishing and that is a good start. In any given year I will be trying to catch a mackerel or trying to catch a trout. The main thing is that we will have a team in DEFRA who understand and support all country sports, including angling, which is the most popular. And I think in terms of the policies we are developing, which are pro bio-diversity, pro countryside, pro sport, I think you will have a very, very big listening ear to speak to.”

AT So, just to be clear, angling as a sport is safe under a Conservative government?

David Cameron “It’s not only safe, we want to actively promote it. We believe in sport, we believe in the outdoors, we believe in the countryside and we believe in bio-diversity – all the things that fishing is a very important vehicle for. Look, fishing is a great sport.
“As much as anything else, it’s very good on the well-being agenda because this is how a lot of people get a lot of happiness.”





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Is it worth a chuck tomorrow afternoon? I don't have much hope of a fish but might be nice to have a couple of hours...

Hope you didn't venture out today as she is big and getting bigger! If there is anything waiting to come this should send the signal to them. Could fish tomorrow but likely to be Sun or Mon depending on how much rain falls. Keep an eye in the web cam, I only live 3/4 mile from the river and I find it very useful so for anyone living further away it must be great.
 

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I will second that Wilbert I live a 5 min drive from the river but the webcam tells me wether to start the car or not.I think this weekend is going to be hard to get any fishing on the lower river as wilbert said she is just getting bigger and the tides are building good for the fish but not so good for us.So it looks like a trip to the res for me this weekend
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Casting Day.

I have been asked to remind those who are interested of the Open Day next Saturday on the Ribble at Brungerley Bridge here at Clitheroe from 10am

This day is being organised by Ken Varey's Outdoor World. Jim Fearn our brilliant and local AAPGI casting instructor will be there for the full day to demonstrate, advice, and encourage those of us who need to polish up our casting before the season gets under way proper. He will be using his Vision and Redington rods and lines with also a range of Rio lines, all can be ordered or bought on the day from the shop in Clitheroe with a 15% discount.

This shop is one of the few where you can try out rods on the river before you purchase one. Every rod is different and what suits one does not suit another. To go in a shop and wave a rod about is not the way to be satisfied, a rod has to be tried out. If your looking for a good rod at a reasonable cost you will not better the Vision G4 Catapult, try one and see for yourself.
Ribblesdale Angling Association have made their private car park available, just over the bridge on the left hand side.
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This should help BB7 2HN my home post code on Waddington Rd carry on past and your will come to the river about 400yds, over the bridge into the car park on the left. The gate will be open
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I'll be there! lets hope the weather is kind, it's forcast a chance of snow mid week. Hope to meet a few forum members, see you on Saturday;)
 

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FOR ALL THOSE WHO FISH MELLINGSWOOD SIDE OF THE RIVER FROM SHAW,S ARM,S TO HALFPENNY BRIDGE IT WILL NOW BE RUN BY BAY MOLTON A C AS IN AFFECT FROM THE 15th JUNE £50 JOINING FEE +£50 A YEAR . (LANCASHIRE COUNCIL SHAME ON YOU) WHAT WILL ALL THE YOUNG AND OLD LADS DO NOW. ??:mad:
 
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Who is this club as its a new one on me? Where have they any other fishing, and are they a primarily a coarse fishing club?

Its years since I last fished down the Melling Wood area, in fact looking at my diary it was 1979. Ancient ain't I In those days we parked our cars on the big council estate( Forgotten its name) and walked down to the woods. We stopped going after one of our lads had his wheels removed from his car. Is this parking still a problem or is there somewhere else to park?
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They are a coarse club from down Manchester way, see this link, they are reporting the acquisition on their website

http://www.baymaltonanglingclub.org.uk/club_news.html


I wish them all the luck in the world bailiffing and policing it, they are going to need it!!!!

As for parking nothing is very secure down their, you can pay a fee at the garage to leave your car in the car park but that isn’t very secure either. Other than that its leave it in the estate (nr golf club), on the bridge itself or down at Shaws arms.
 

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well at least it wont be a free-for-all for the shrimping crew. as you say though good luck to the baliffs.
 

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eyes dont lie mate. i'm not tarring but there are certain folk who fish there and elsewhere that need banning from fishing for salmon for life. no offence to you personally, but its only a matter of time before the net closes on the antics
 

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Dont call me mate.
The context you wrote could be misconstued to mean,every angler that float fishes shrimp on the lower ribble is a fishmonger you should select carefully your words
if you do not want to offend the many , conservation minded ,
any method anglers
 

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Your sharp reply to my initial post was the only thing offensive written in this thread pal. enjoy your season down there mate. Tight lines to you.
 

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p.s. when i say "down there" I don't speak from someone who fishes upstream of you with a sense of scorn, I purely mean from a man from Prestons perspective. I've walked down there regulary for over 25 years, hence the knowledge to back up my comments. I dont fish the Ribble.
 

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IF your the man i think you are you have been rude to warrington angler member,s when you were a member of the opposite bank at dinkley and you yourself have also fished in mellings wood and told every body you put all your salmon back if hugh falkus was alive today im sure he would follow this thread up ;)
 
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