More government restrictions.. (Load of so and so)

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So here in Northern Ireland from 6pm this evening , you cannot have another person from another household in your house unless a person lives alone.
This means that you can't even go up and visit your parents for a cup of tea , or in my case I can't have my girlfriend over for dinner on a Friday evening with my 2 parents..

Now, where this makes no sense at all for me is that your children can still go to the playground and mingle with 500 kids, You can eat a meal in a restaurant that seats 200 people, you can have a wee drink in the pub surrounded by 100 people, you can have a wee picnic outside with 7 people but god forbid that your partner comes over for a cuppa!

I can go to my office at work with 40 other colleagues, I can get the bus to work with 30 passengers, I can go play Rugby on a Saturday morning with 29 other lads.. Makes no sense

I understand that we need to generate the economy, but come on.. There is no consistency in these decisions.

The thought process behind this decision was a sharp rise in cases in Belfast, Derry and Strabane.. Why can't these just be localised restrictions for those areas?
Instead the entire country has to suffer.

When do we 'return to normal?' , at what point of COVID statistics is it acceptable for us to do as we please and live our usual lives? This won't go away in a matter of months. It will possibly be here for years!
 
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My thoughts too. We have even more restrictions here with extra ones on the horizon. If someone told me to hide under the bed for 6 months and it will be over I could cope with that but indefinitely ? No way

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The craziest one ive seen so far is where i have my caravan. Theres a track and trace system in place now. So that would mean if anyone on the site had a positive test then we would all have to isolate for 14 days. Theres no communal areas at the place and we dont come within 20 yards of anyone else there. That would mean if someone had the virus that id never been within half a mile of then id have to close my business for 2 weeks. Its madness.

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Basically Simon, positive covid tests are increasing across all council areas of Northern Ireland. As Northern Ireland is such a small country and people are criss-crossing it every day, it got to the stage where local restrictions weren't really viable.

You mentioned the Derry and Strabane area. Yes the BT48 postcode could have been restricted as its a very small area between the Foyle and Donegal. BT47 on the other hand takes in a massive area from the Foyle, almost to Maghera. I'm not even sure what area the postcodes for strabane would take in.

There has been positive tests in the Omagh area too and I heard them saying they were keeping an eye on Enniskillen as positive results were rising there. All these places I've mentioned got off very lightly during the first wave. The whole western side of Northern Ireland had done extremely well and we had no positive results for weeks, if not months, in the early part of the summer. That just isn't the case now unfortunately. It could be argued that this is really only our first wave.

The argument for pubs being open is that risk assessments have been carried out and distancing measures are in place. The fact that they have to close at 10pm may mean less drunkenness and people falling over each other. Its a grand theory! ?

I did see one local restaurant/pub on Facebook last night stating that masks were now essential for customers. The only time the masks were to be removed was when sat at your table. There won't be many that follow that example though.

Again, like most things in life, the majority are being punished for the actions of the few.

This is initially for two weeks. With a bit of luck and people behaving responsibly, that is all these restrictions will last for. However, looking at my Facebook last night and the attitude of many, two weeks seems extremely optimistic.
 

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The craziest one ive seen so far is where i have my caravan. Theres a track and trace system in place now. So that would mean if anyone on the site had a positive test then we would all have to isolate for 14 days. Theres no communal areas at the place and we dont come within 20 yards of anyone else there. That would mean if someone had the virus that id never been within half a mile of then id have to close my business for 2 weeks. Its madness.

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Same story with my work. We have 3 separate floors with 3 different departments which don't interact with each other at all even at communal times. So even if someone upstairs on track and trace has COVID the entire building would have to isolate. It's absolute NONSENSE!
 

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Basically Simon, positive covid tests are increasing across all council areas of Northern Ireland. As Northern Ireland is such a small country and people are criss-crossing it every day, it got to the stage where local restrictions weren't really viable.

You mentioned the Derry and Strabane area. Yes the BT48 postcode could have been restricted as its a very small area between the Foyle and Donegal. BT47 on the other hand takes in a massive area from the Foyle, almost to Maghera. I'm not even sure what area the postcodes for strabane would take in.

There has been positive tests in the Omagh area too and I heard them saying they were keeping an eye on Enniskillen as positive results were rising there. All these places I've mentioned got off very lightly during the first wave. The whole western side of Northern Ireland had done extremely well and we had no positive results for weeks, if not months, in the early part of the summer. That just isn't the case now unfortunately. It could be argued that this is really only our first wave.

The argument for pubs being open is that risk assessments have been carried out and distancing measures are in place. The fact that they have to close at 10pm may mean less drunkenness and people falling over each other. Its a grand theory! ?

I did see one local restaurant/pub on Facebook last night stating that masks were now essential for customers. The only time the masks were to be removed was when sat at your table. There won't be many that follow that example though.

Again, like most things in life, the majority are being punished for the actions of the few.

This is initially for two weeks. With a bit of luck and people behaving responsibly, that is all these restrictions will last for. However, looking at my Facebook last night and the attitude of many, two weeks seems extremely optimistic.
I Myself always have and always will follow the guidelines, I have to with my work at the end of the day. It's just the inconsistency of the decisions I don't understand. I have a very small social bubble so the people in my life are very precious to me, I like it that way! The only time I really go and see other people is if I meet them at the river bank or bump into an old friend out doing the shop and seeing my partner at the weekend.

There's just something that ruffles my feathers that large crowds of people can gather in a pub/bar but I cannot see my partner for 2 evenings at the weekend.

The students on the Holylands have had a massive Influence on this decision after what's gone on this week. Housepartys of 40-50 people, someone is bound to catch something! It's only a matter of time until they return home at the weekends too and put people at risk in their towns such as Omagh as you mentioned.

There needs to be some consistency on public transport etc too. I was getting a bus throughout COVID in March to September often being the only passenger due to lockdown, but now I'm not allowed to get on that bus since last week because Translink are reducing all non goldliner services before 9am to school children only due to social distancing. So to key workers like myself who rely on public transport, I have to get a lift 15 miles up to Ballygawley in the morning, to then get a different bus that drops me off over a mile from my workplace . It's a joke, big middle finger to key workers. You'd think they'd put on an extra service in the morning.
 

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In NI can you go to the pub with parents/girlfriend? Or is all socialising stopped?
You can yes but apparently there's going to be a new 10pm Curfew coming shortly and we both don't get home until well after 7 in the evening so it would be very stretched for time. The irony is I can meet her in the pub with 50 other people but not in the house with 2 other people
 

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The craziest one ive seen so far is where i have my caravan. Theres a track and trace system in place now. So that would mean if anyone on the site had a positive test then we would all have to isolate for 14 days. Theres no communal areas at the place and we dont come within 20 yards of anyone else there. That would mean if someone had the virus that id never been within half a mile of then id have to close my business for 2 weeks. Its madness.

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Crackers ! But I don't suppose the site owners will be bothered whether you are using your caravan or not ? They will still be getting their annual site fees paid

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Crackers ! But I don't suppose the site owners will be bothered whether you are using your caravan or not ? They will still be getting their annual site fees paid

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They are great to be honest, its just the rules they have had imposed on them.
I was there last weekend and didnt have the app to scan the qr code at the enterance and nothing was said about it.

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Buy her a fishing rod :LOL:

My understanding is the travel guidance is just advice but it's aimed at people travelling to mingle in households. They just cant get the wording right.

I agree with the household rules for now as clearly this is where a lot of spread is happening. My mother had to shield for several months and to date none of us have stepped into the house, we visit the garden only. We are now looking at getting some kind of outdoor heating for a roofed carport to continue visits over the colder months. It's far from ideal but keeps her safe.

If you visit a restaurant, you will touch less surfaces than in a family home and your movement will be restricted. Lets face it though, most of us would be sensible but there's always a small few who won't care a ruin it for everyone.

Opening the pubs with 1m distancing is stupid. Up to 6 people from 6 households are allowed at a table together. 1m isn't the safest as it is, but the drinks will be even less than 1m. I say keep the restrictions and close the pubs so we can at least have some normally over the Christmas period.

On another note, did you hear about the fella in Fermanagh who refused to self isolate and went socialising after travelling from holidays. He later tested positive and caused a break out of clusters. similar happened in Bolton. A small fine.....the fella should be locked up for manslaughter. Sorry but I have no time for people like that.
 

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Buy her a fishing rod

My understanding is the travel guidance is just advice but it's aimed at people travelling to mingle in households. They just cant get the wording right.

I agree with the household rules for now as clearly this is where a lot of spread is happening. My mother had to shield for several months and to date none of us have stepped into the house, we visit the garden only. We are now looking at getting some kind of outdoor heating for a roofed carport to continue visits over the colder months. It's far from ideal but keeps her safe.

If you visit a restaurant, you will touch less surfaces than in a family home and your movement will be restricted. Lets face it though, most of us would be sensible but there's always a small few who won't care a ruin it for everyone.

Opening the pubs with 1m distancing is stupid. Up to 6 people from 6 households are allowed at a table together. 1m isn't the safest as it is, but the drinks will be even less than 1m. I say keep the restrictions and close the pubs so we can at least have some normally over the Christmas period.

On another note, did you hear about the fella in Fermanagh who refused to self isolate and went socialising after travelling from holidays. He later tested positive and caused a break out of clusters. similar happened in Bolton. A small fine.....the fella should be locked up for manslaughter. Sorry but I have no time for people like that.
Exactly what happened here in Bolton he came back off holiday and went on a pub crawl causing the initial huge spike in cases. We are left to live with the consequences of one selfish p###k.

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Pack into shops pubs and schools but otherwise don't assemble in groups of more than 6.

Yeah, had enough of their nonsense already to be honest. None of this makes sense

 

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Pack into shops pubs and schools but otherwise don't assemble in groups of more than 6.

It's BECAUSE we are packed into shops, pubs and schools that we can't assemble in groups of more than 6. An acceptance that, in order to keep those engines of the economy open, we have to close some other things down. The rule isn't inconsistent if you view it through the lens of trying to do least harm to the economy by pulling lots of micro-levers elsewhere. I'm not convinced it will work because they aren't communicating the logic very well - but there is logic.

Simon, I can't follow your post, whether you live alone or with your parents, but if it's alone, are you allowed in NI to form a bubble with your partner to see them at weekends...?
 

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It's BECAUSE we are packed into shops, pubs and schools that we can't assemble in groups of more than 6. An acceptance that, in order to keep those engines of the economy open, we have to close some other things down. The rule isn't inconsistent if you view it through the lens of trying to do least harm to the economy by pulling lots of micro-levers elsewhere. I'm not convinced it will work because they aren't communicating the logic very well - but there is logic.

Simon, I can't follow your post, whether you live alone or with your parents, but if it's alone, are you allowed in NI to form a bubble with your partner to see them at weekends...?


No I understand their "logic" in keeping the economy open, just not in preventing the spread.

If you're out working all week then having friends over at the weekends instead of going out under the current guidelines is really only hurting 1 thing. The economy at weekends..

it's clearly forcing us out to spend money to see people we now can't in our own homes but can in public if we buy a pint and a pie but only until 10pm.

It's utter madness
 

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It's BECAUSE we are packed into shops, pubs and schools that we can't assemble in groups of more than 6. An acceptance that, in order to keep those engines of the economy open, we have to close some other things down. The rule isn't inconsistent if you view it through the lens of trying to do least harm to the economy by pulling lots of micro-levers elsewhere. I'm not convinced it will work because they aren't communicating the logic very well - but there is logic.

Simon, I can't follow your post, whether you live alone or with your parents, but if it's alone, are you allowed in NI to form a bubble with your partner to see them at weekends...?
Its the lack of structured communications that has been an issue from day 1. Even the daily briefings appeared garbled to me.
Tell people why and what the logic is for the perceived inconsistencies and they may be more likely to comply.

Starmers monologue this morning was interesting as has been the political debate in the studio.
Just listening to Bojo in the Commons. Be interesting to see what he's got to say.
Still no news on fixing our World beating Track and Trace solution. Doesnt appear that important anymore.
No news on what threat level going from 3 to 4 means.
A bit like kryton changing the colour of the bulb on star bug in order to change the alert level.
 

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Let's see what happens in Scotland today.
I will be very surprised if there isn't country wide restrictions that could have been avoided if they had been applied to the hot spots in the first place.
It was proven to work in Aberdeen, but by avoiding doing it in SNP voting areas, everyone must suffer.
I hope I'm proven wrong, but I doubt it.
 

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No I understand their "logic" in keeping the economy open, just not in preventing the spread.

If you're out working all week then having friends over at the weekends instead of going out under the current guidelines is really only hurting 1 thing. The economy at weekends..

it's clearly forcing us out to spend money to see people we now can't in our own homes but can in public if we buy a pint and a pie but only until 10pm.

It's utter madness
Absolutely bang on. Couldn't have said it any better. They're trying to keep as much money flowing as possible while trying to balance the spread of the virus as possible. The only reason they don't want people round at the weekend is because they want you to go down to the local instead and spend as much money as possible to get bloottered before 10 o'clock :ROFLMAO: ?
 

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The idea behind it is that pubs should not be open without having carried out a risk assessment and put hygiene and distancing measures in place. If they haven't, they can be fined, closed and their licence removed for repeat offending. In theory, going to a pub should be a safer environment than having people round your house.

Some establishments are taking things that bit further...

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I've read and listened to so much right around this pandemic. I've listened to all sides of the argument. Nothing changes the fact that restrictions and lock downs are the only way that governments, right around the world, have at their disposal to help stop the spread.

Judging by the posts on my Facebook feed, compliance will be minimal so this will drag on for years.
 

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No I understand their "logic" in keeping the economy open, just not in preventing the spread.

If you're out working all week then having friends over at the weekends instead of going out under the current guidelines is really only hurting 1 thing. The economy at weekends..

it's clearly forcing us out to spend money to see people we now can't in our own homes but can in public if we buy a pint and a pie but only until 10pm.

It's utter madness

In pubs there are hand sanitisers, track and trace methods, people wiping tables obsessively - and there should be systems in place to keep groups apart and reduce mingling/lingering. In our local pubs, you can't stand up inside unless you need a wee, eg. You are watched, and behave better.

At home, there's none of this. And they know from the data that most of the transmission happens within the home, so it makes absolute sense that they start restrictions here and work out.

It does make sense. I just don't think it will work.
 

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The data is skewed though without a proper and fully compliant track and trace. The only place everyone knows for sure they have been in the last 10 days is the home.

Where ever you have people mingling, you'll have risk of transmission.

Less people eat and drink in my kitchen than the pub over the road.. I know where we'd rather sit for dinner
 
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