Extreme selfishness

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I feel like people are too stubborn to say that this isn’t the Brexit they ordered/expected/wanted because that suggests regret so there’s lots of bluster and ‘nothing to see here everything is FINE and all the shortages and tensions and problems are imagined or FINE’. Maybe there isn’t anything to see, long term. I’ll be the first to admit I very much live in the moment, especially since my dad died unexpectedly and it really made me reassess what a life well lived means. I do prioritise the moment. Anyway. You’re right that the majority voted for it but that doesn’t to my mind mean they therefore have to accept whatever half-assed implementation they’re left with. That’s just tribalism. I’ve spent all week despairing at the utter carnival that has been the Labour Party conference. It’s actually painful how unfit to serve they are. There doesn’t seem to be this sense of, Christ this is NOT what I ordered from Leave voters right now.

Whatever. I have logs and wine and I don’t even like turkey. I’m happy to hibernate til spring.
There is a reason most people only eat Turkey once a year. I'm thinking of marketing pheasants as Brexit Turkeys and getting the BBC to run a piece on predicted shortages of them.
 

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There is a reason most people only eat Turkey once a year. I'm thinking of marketing pheasants as Brexit Turkeys and getting the BBC to run a piece on predicted shortages of them.
Paint them blue, draw a crown on them and sell them by the lb and you may do well with the venture

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I'm not blaming Brexit as such but things here have got really expensive.

I know a man who replaces oil heating tanks. New tanks are 35% more expensive than at the end of 2020.

He uses a lot of concrete lentils as a base for the tanks to sit on. He can no longer get 5ft lentils. He had to buy ordinary 2ft paving slabs last week to set a tank on and paid £60 for three slabs.

He has since managed to source 6ft lentils. He used to buy four 5ft lentils for £35. Single 6ft is now £30 + vat.

He says he can no longer price jobs as materials are a different price almost every time he goes to buy them. Not very many people will allow him to do work without some idea of what it will cost.

A builder I know too who specialises in home extensions is in the same boat. People are looking for work done and he can't price the jobs so people aren't as keen to give the go ahead.

Strange times.
 

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I'm not blaming Brexit as such but things here have got really expensive.

I know a man who replaces oil heating tanks. New tanks are 35% more expensive than at the end of 2020.

He uses a lot of concrete lentils as a base for the tanks to sit on. He can no longer get 5ft lentils. He had to buy ordinary 2ft paving slabs last week to set a tank on and paid £60 for three slabs.

He has since managed to source 6ft lentils. He used to buy four 5ft lentils for £35. Single 6ft is now £30 + vat.

He says he can no longer price jobs as materials are a different price almost every time he goes to buy them. Not very many people will allow him to do work without some idea of what it will cost.

A builder I know too who specialises in home extensions is in the same boat. People are looking for work done and he can't price the jobs so people aren't as keen to give the go ahead.

Strange times.
I think the prices in construction are driven by the pandemic, not Brexit. I'm trying to get an extension built and it's impossible to get a handle on cost, as you say. The price of timber joists is eyewatering, so we're going for composite. The availability of concrete blocks isn't funny, cement is an unknown quantity and cost...
 

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What the media driven fear of brexit did was log jam the economy by scaring people from spending and many honest businesses went to the wall over a 3 year period
 

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I think the prices in construction are driven by the pandemic, not Brexit. I'm trying to get an extension built and it's impossible to get a handle on cost, as you say. The price of timber joists is eyewatering, so we're going for composite. The availability of concrete blocks isn't funny, cement is an unknown quantity and cost...

I wasn't having a go at Brexit but just that work is not a plentiful as it should be at the minute with the costs of materials. Builders and other tradesmen who should be flat out with work are struggling to get jobs because of prices.

We were hoping to have started an extension for my dad. Just a bedroom and wet room so he can stay on the same level and not have to be escorted up and down stairs twice a day. His cousin, who is a builder, told him he might be cheaper to look at buying a bungalow somewhere with the costs of materials at the minute.
 

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What the media driven fear of brexit did was log jam the economy by scaring people from spending and many honest businesses went to the wall over a 3 year period
Well that's true. People did slow down spending out of fear that Brexit would impact negatively on their own and the nation's finances. I think we'd differ on whether this fear was well-founded. I heard on the radio this morning that Brexit has cost the UK fishing industry £300m. I wish to be clear when I say that it's not the concept of Brexit that caused this, but the execution of it. The pandemic really has been a gift to the government because it masks so much of the impact.
 

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Well that's true. People did slow down spending out of fear that Brexit would impact negatively on their own and the nation's finances. I think we'd differ on whether this fear was well-founded. I heard on the radio this morning that Brexit has cost the UK fishing industry £300m. I wish to be clear when I say that it's not the concept of Brexit that caused this, but the execution of it. The pandemic really has been a gift to the government because it masks so much of the impact.
Fair enough
Getting back to fuel my neighbour queues for half an hour each day to put a fiver in his large suv, when I’m going fishing I nip over the fence with a short hose and a Jerry can then put the money on his step.
It’s what friends are for 😊
 
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Well that's true. People did slow down spending out of fear that Brexit would impact negatively on their own and the nation's finances. I think we'd differ on whether this fear was well-founded. I heard on the radio this morning that Brexit has cost the UK fishing industry £300m. I wish to be clear when I say that it's not the concept of Brexit that caused this, but the execution of it. The pandemic really has been a gift to the government because it masks so much of the impact.
Brexit bullsh!t affected my business to a noticeable degree. The European customers slowed dramatically around about the time the media (and the morons on the twitter) confidently stated that in the aftermath of 'leave' European aircraft would not be able to overfly British airspace and that banks would not be able to dispense £s to incomers. Remember all that? I do.

I had people saying 'we still want to come but it looks like it will be complicated this year, we'll put it off for a year till it all settles down - then covid :)

You always resist the idea that a) jumpy idiots who love a panic (probably the same jumpy panicking idiots putting £6 worth of petrol in their cars) and b) bad losers prepared to sink the ship out of a spiteful pique to prove themselves correct ended up causing tremendous harm* I can't talk for others - but it did for me I have no doubt whatsoever.



*Not to mention of course the EU tw@ts themselves - who spread all sorts of falsehoods. I don't blame them so much - that kind of stuff is to be expected when humans feel rejected and you could suppose their dishonesty was at least in support of 'their own' I'm much less charitable toward those who are citizens here and either inadvertently or deliberately sabotaged UK interests.
 
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Still no diesel in Northwich though some places have petrol.
Daughter filled up in a village about 8 miles away.

Did the monthly Tesco trip this afternoon.
Still gaps on the shelves. Some I wanted, some I didnt.
No large bags of tesco finest crisps. No multipacks of mars. Several flavours of squash sold out. Some Free From ranges sold out.
Some cereals out of stock.
As Ive said, not empty shelves, but plenty 'out of stock' stickers to be seen.
 

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Been keeping an eye out for fuel since the start of the week whilst out and about, no luck until this morning. Just 2 cars in front, great I thought all back to normal. Filled up, went in to pay and noticed 2 blokes in yellow jackets going towards the pumps. By the time I had come out, they had put the yellow "no fuel" things on the diesel pumps ! I had been the last car to get some. Can now proceed with the weekend plans.
 

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Much of my work at the moment is around either communicating how my clients are progressing against the UN's Sustainable Development Goals for 2030 (regularly reporting on it is a key metric), or making sure my business is fit to supply others in line with them as most of my work is issued by procurement departments rather than direct from marketing, and the benchmarks to even be considered for a contract are getting higher and higher - bearing in mind I'm a sub-20 employee SME. The UK government signed up to them in 2015, they're driving the environmental agenda and social sustainability will follow shortly after and in a HUGE rush as governments and businesses realise they've burned all their time on the Planet pillar and none on the People. This idea that we will be free to make our own decisions outside of the EU is fine on one level, but ignores the commitments we have made at a much more elevated level. It's the SDGs that are driving net zero carbon emissions by 2050, they include targets for levelling up and tackling inequality, and diversity and inclusivity... Those that voted Leave for control reasons are gonna hate it, anyone that rejects climate change or social justice will hate it even more... Maybe we'll opt out of the UN.
Wow no way San. Obviously I had no idea of this, albeit I had a feeling you’d be switched onto it?
I know Greta Thundberg gets some stick, from me inc but boy her speech the other day I thought was brilliant. A member on here knew her family and convinced me she was genuine. No longer a child I do think she’s reached that point where she’s realised that one can come into politics with the best intentions and make no mistake it is political, and they soon realise how compromised they are, so fair play for her calling them out.
Sounds like you know far more than me about the UN 2030 agenda and I’m gonna try and follow this without being blinkered and cynical. I can say much more as Hardy Reels has to keep a check on certain stories and misinformation.

That said without over stepping the mark, Rod Little from the Times wrote an article about the current climate over the pond and here in the U.K. and basically questioned democracy.
 
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Didn't take long for this panic buying to be linked by the usual moaners.
Shortage of labour blamed by the selfish on Brexit but my Granddaughter managed to get a part time job in hospitajity and guess what the wages have increased dramaticly and way above minimum wage. I wonder if thats got something to do with Brexit and the lack of cheap labour.
Back on topic and all the stations near me had only the usual number of cars at the pumps and my local supermaket had no shortage of toilet rolls.
Might start a rumour as I've just got my bulk buy of toilet rolls or would that be a bit selfish.
 

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Didn't take long for this panic buying to be linked by the usual moaners.
Shortage of labour blamed by the selfish on Brexit but my Granddaughter managed to get a part time job in hospitajity and guess what the wages have increased dramaticly and way above minimum wage. I wonder if thats got something to do with Brexit and the lack of cheap labour.
Back on topic and all the stations near me had only the usual number of cars at the pumps and my local supermaket had no shortage of toilet rolls.
Might start a rumour as I've just got my bulk buy of toilet rolls or would that be a bit selfish.
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Wages go up, prices go up, jobs in hospitality become low paid again in relation to everything else. Wasn’t just our membership of the EU that drove wages down in some sectors. It was our desire to pay less as consumers for the things we enjoy. Glad your granddaughter got a job though, Birkin.
 
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