Covid Vaccine... Well would you ??

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Then why are you posting such mad stuff?
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Why don’t you stick to your campaign of withdrawing healthcare from those that don’t elect to take a vaccine,
I suspect there will be people who think old people where shipped out to homes without regard to their welfare or for those in the homes, so maybe only mad in your world.
 
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happy days said:
Why don’t you stick to your campaign of withdrawing healthcare from those that don’t elect to take a vaccine,
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My position on that is that anyone that needs health care should and will get it regardless. But those who refuse to take the vaccine for selfish reasons need to think about the effects their decision has on others.

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I suspect there will be people who think old people where shipped out to homes without regard to their welfare or for those in the homes, so maybe only mad in your world.
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I think the decision to ship the ill elderly out of hospitals without making them and their homes safe was a terrible mistake that should have been foreseen.

But to even hint that it was a deliberate policy to kill them *IS* mad.
 
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Tangled said:
My position on that is that anyone that needs health care should and will get it regardless. But those who refuse to take the vaccine for selfish reasons need to think about the effects their decision has on others.



I think the decision to ship the ill elderly out of hospitals without making them and their homes safe was a terrible mistake that should have been foreseen.

But to even hint that it was a deliberate policy to kill them *IS* mad.
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Actually you have said in the past that if I presented at triage unwell alongside someone who had been vaccinated I would not be treated, I can dig it out if you want.

Where do you get the words murder and kill from ? Certainly not mine, maybe you're going a bit mad.
 
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Actually you have said in the past that if I presented at triage unwell alongside someone who had been vaccinated I would not be treated,
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I am not in favour of that idea.

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Where do you get the words murder and kill from ? Certainly not mine, maybe you're going a bit mad.
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From here

”At the very start of this before any care home stuff, he said to us that he thinks it’s a way of getting rid of the old folks?
Naturally he got told to shut up, but after seeing such a global, monumental f*** up in care homes in every country? One does have to wonder if he was onto something lol.”

and here

”Someone cynical may say more design than fault.”

The conclusion is that someone 'designed' a policy to ‘get rid of' the elderly. We call that murder.
 
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Tangled said:
I am not in favour of that idea.



From here

”At the very start of this before any care home stuff, he said to us that he thinks it’s a way of getting rid of the old folks?
Naturally he got told to shut up, but after seeing such a global, monumental f*** up in care homes in every country? One does have to wonder if he was onto something lol.”

and here

”Someone cynical may say more design than fault.”

The conclusion is that someone 'designed' a policy to ‘get rid of' the elderly. We call that murder.
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With regards to your first point try reading your response to me in the corona thread re vaccine, obviously a bit of flip flopping going on.
So to save you putting anymore words in my mouth I am not saying the government deliberately tried to "kill" or "murder" anyone though I have heard it said by others and these are the cynical people I am referring to. Do you understand ?
With reference to your other ramblings who was told to shut up, when and by whom ?
 
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happy days said:
I dunno, looks like old Tangled is getting fed his lines in BS Pms by his little group of helpers/likers

Not hard to work out, quite funny though
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So I checked my PMs in case I'd been missing something interesting.

Since 2nd March - where I had been having a conversation about Rio Grande lodges for sea trout - I've had only one PM. That was last Saturday. That was someone telling me that the police raid on that German doctor's house was a drugs raid. I couldn't confirm that so I didn't mention it here.

I think for myself Chuck, and I check my facts.

And that's the last time I'll respond to childish taunts.
 
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So I checked my PMs in case I'd been missing something interesting.

Since 2nd March - where I had been having a conversation about Rio Grande lodges for sea trout - I've had only one PM. That was last Saturday. That was someone telling me that the police raid on that German doctor's house was a drugs raid. I couldn't confirm that so I didn't mention it here.

I think for myself Chuck, and I check my facts.

And that's the last time I'll respond to childish taunts.
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LOL, so just for clarity who are you quoting in italics post 133 ?, who is the "he" in your quote, ? when was "he" told to shut up, ? and by whom ?

Then it will become clear whether you think for yourself or not chuck.
 
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LOL, so just for clarity who are you quoting in italics post 133 ?, who is the "he" in your quote, ? when was "he" told to shut up, ? and by whom ?

Then it will become clear whether you think for yourself or not chuck.
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I know the answer to this one! It's AndrewB, in this thread! The comment that started this whole cul de sac off. The 'he' is referring to is a friend of HIS - Andrew was relating an anecdote.

AndrewB, in this thread, said this:
”At the very start of this before any care home stuff, he said to us that he thinks it’s a way of getting rid of the old folks?
Naturally he got told to shut up, but after seeing such a global, monumental f*** up in care homes in every country? One does have to wonder if he was onto something lol.”

Someone else said on this thread - walleye? - that the 15,000 hospital patients chucked out into care homes were a mistake in hindsight.

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”Someone cynical may say more design than fault.”

I can see why that someone cynical might therefore be accusing the government of murder.
 
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happy days said:
LOL, so just for clarity who are you quoting in italics post 133 ?, who is the "he" in your quote, ? when was "he" told to shut up, ? and by whom ?

Then it will become clear whether you think for yourself or not chuck.
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It was me and I was quoting an eccentric old man who said in jest long before the care home thing had happened so I think my post is being used way out of context.
 
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I know the answer to this one! It's AndrewB, in this thread! The comment that started this whole cul de sac off. The 'he' is referring to is a friend of HIS - Andrew was relating an anecdote.

AndrewB, in this thread, said this:
”At the very start of this before any care home stuff, he said to us that he thinks it’s a way of getting rid of the old folks?
Naturally he got told to shut up, but after seeing such a global, monumental f*** up in care homes in every country? One does have to wonder if he was onto something lol.”

Someone else said on this thread - walleye? - that the 15,000 hospital patients chucked out into care homes were a mistake in hindsight.

You said:
”Someone cynical may say more design than fault.”

I can see why that someone cynical might therefore be accusing the government of murder.
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That’s the way it was intended. Since his wife had a very high up position in a Yorkshire hospital I doubt he meant it.
 
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I understand the NHS Workers will be first in line for the new vaccine. Let's hope it works right, we need all of them we can get given absenteeism and the funamental collapse in NHS capacity for non-CV19 interventions since March (and no end in sight!)

Personally I'm still keen for Bozza to get a shot first and then be monitored for 6 months before the roll-out, but if they did that it's likely that the serious direct medical* consequences CV19 would be just a bad memory.


Meanwhile Here are these words, signed off by a former Pfeizer boss, which some may want to consider before lining up:

"On December 1, 2020, the ex-Pfizer head of respiratory research Dr. Michael Yeadon and the lung specialist and former head of the public health department Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg filed an application with the EMA, the European Medicine Agency responsible for EU-wide drug approval, for the immediate suspension of all SARS CoV 2 vaccine studies, in particular the BioNtech/Pfizer study on BNT162b (EudraCT number 2020-002641-42).

Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon demand that the studies – for the protection of the life and health of the volunteers – should not be continued until a study design is available that is suitable to address the significant safety concerns expressed by an increasing number of renowned scientists against the vaccine and the study design.

On the one hand, the petitioners demand that, due to the known lack of accuracy of the PCR test in a serious study, a so-called Sanger sequencing must be used. This is the only way to make reliable statements on the effectiveness of a vaccine against Covid-19. On the basis of the many different PCR tests of highly varying quality, neither the risk of disease nor a possible vaccine benefit can be determined with the necessary certainty, which is why testing the vaccine on humans is unethical per se.

Furthermore, they demand that it must be excluded, e.g. by means of animal experiments, that risks already known from previous studies, which partly originate from the nature of the corona viruses, can be realized. The concerns are directed in particular to the following points:

  • The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. This so-called antibody-dependent amplification, ADE, has long been known from experiments with corona vaccines in cats, for example. In the course of these studies all cats that initially tolerated the vaccination well died after catching the wild virus.
  • The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.
  • The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance – this means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.
  • The much too short duration of the study does not allow a realistic estimation of the late effects. As in the narcolepsy cases after the swine flu vaccination, millions of healthy people would be exposed to an unacceptable risk if an emergency approval were to be granted and the possibility of observing the late effects of the vaccination were to follow. Nevertheless, BioNTech/Pfizer apparently submitted an application for emergency approval on December 1, 2020.
CALL FOR HELP: Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon ask as many EU citizens as possible to co-sign their petition by sending the e-mail prepared here to the EMA.

Nachtrag: Wegen teilweiser Überlastung der Server hier der Inhalt der E-Mail und die Kontaktadressen zum späteren Selbst-Versenden:

An: press@ema.europa.eu; petitionEMA@corona-ausschuss.com

Betreff: Co-signing the petition of Dr. Wodarg, Germany, and Dr. Yeadon, UK (submitted on 1-Dec-2020)

Dear Sir or Madam, I am hereby co-signing the petition of Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon to support their urgent request to stay the Phase III clinical trial(s) of BNT162b (EudraCT Number 2020-002641-42) and other clinical trials. The full text of the petition of Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon can be found here: https://2020news.de/wp-content/uplo...FINAL_01DEC2020_EN_unsigned_with_Exhibits.pdf I hereby respectfully request that EMA act on the petition of Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon immediately. Regards "





*As opposed to the serious and ever-increasing medical impacts on stroke, heart attacks, suicide, general deaths etc. caused by Lockdown overreactions of course...
 
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