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I have always wanted to try one of the rods with the Zpey handle and have just got a Zpey Instinct 14`6 9/10, so far iv`e only had a short session with it not really long enough to form an opinion of the bent handle? I would like to hear from other members who have tried these rods and get opinions of this system of handle good or bad?
 

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J'ai 2 instinct et 2 infini, préférence pour l'action de l'instinct, concernant la prise; cela ne fait rien de plus pour moi, ni ne m'enlève rien.
A mes yeux, c'est une question de goût.
Certains pêcheurs pensent que cela permet de garder la canne en ligne lors du lancer.
 

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I have tried them and quite like them in my opinion i think you definitely get more pull with the bottom hand because of the extra pull distance i know its only about 3 inches but this equates to a lot more travel at the tip of the rod which in turn gives you more casting distance i did find that you had to hold your top hand a bit firmer to stop the rod rotating in your hand as you pulled with your bottom hand I even knew a gent once who was more of a caster than a fisherman and on all of his spey rods he had cut of the bottom handle and epoxied a new one in place that came out of the bottom of the rod at about 45 degrees down and about 3 to 4 inches long with a ball type knob on the end and this worked well although you tended to pull the ball down and in to you rather than holding on to the ball conventionally !!!!
 

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I have always wanted to try one of the rods with the Zpey handle and have just got a Zpey Instinct 14`6 9/10, so far iv`e only had a short session with it not really long enough to form an opinion of the bent handle? I would like to hear from other members who have tried these rods and get opinions of this system of handle good or bad?
It's a wonder our economy is in a decline with the amount of gear you buy sir! :unsure: :giggle: :D
 

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I have tried them and quite like them in my opinion i think you definitely get more pull with the bottom hand because of the extra pull distance i know its only about 3 inches but this equates to a lot more travel at the tip of the rod which in turn gives you more casting distance i did find that you had to hold your top hand a bit firmer to stop the rod rotating in your hand as you pulled with your bottom hand I even knew a gent once who was more of a caster than a fisherman and on all of his spey rods he had cut of the bottom handle and epoxied a new one in place that came out of the bottom of the rod at about 45 degrees down and about 3 to 4 inches long with a ball type knob on the end and this worked well although you tended to pull the ball down and in to you rather than holding on to the ball conventionally !!!!
Thank you did you use recommended line weight on them? the rod is recommended for 33-35 I have only tried the Gaelforce multi tip 40 grams on it and it went well.
 

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Using a bent handled rod will almost certainly make you a better caster (unless of course you’re an expert already) because it will show you the value of using your bottom hand more actively. Even if you subsequently revert back to using rods with a straight handle ( or you have a mix of bent & straight like me) you’ll probably find you’re either casting further, or casting the same distance with less effort.
Something else you might find when casting with a bent handled rod, especially if you follow Hendrik Mortensen‘s famous advice to “hug the rod” when casting, is that the strain on your joints, especially your main casting shoulder (top hand) joint, is somewhat reduced. Not sure how old you are, but over the years the strain on ones joints slowly but surely becomes an issue. Once arthritis starts to set in, any reduction, however you achieve it (lighter or shorter rods, better casting technique, etc) is very welcome!
 

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Using a bent handled rod will almost certainly make you a better caster (unless of course you’re an expert already) because it will show you the value of using your bottom hand more actively. Even if you subsequently revert back to using rods with a straight handle ( or you have a mix of bent & straight like me) you’ll probably find you’re either casting further, or casting the same distance with less effort.
Something else you might find when casting with a bent handled rod, especially if you follow Hendrik Mortensen‘s famous advice to “hug the rod” when casting, is that the strain on your joints, especially your main casting shoulder (top hand) joint, is somewhat reduced. Not sure how old you are, but over the years the strain on ones joints slowly but surely becomes an issue. Once arthritis starts to set in, any reduction, however you achieve it (lighter or shorter rods, better casting technique, etc) is very welcome!
Thank you anything that makes it easier will be a great help.
 

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Using a bent handled rod will almost certainly make you a better caster (unless of course you’re an expert already) because it will show you the value of using your bottom hand more actively. Even if you subsequently revert back to using rods with a straight handle ( or you have a mix of bent & straight like me) you’ll probably find you’re either casting further, or casting the same distance with less effort.
Something else you might find when casting with a bent handled rod, especially if you follow Hendrik Mortensen‘s famous advice to “hug the rod” when casting, is that the strain on your joints, especially your main casting shoulder (top hand) joint, is somewhat reduced. Not sure how old you are, but over the years the strain on ones joints slowly but surely becomes an issue. Once arthritis starts to set in, any reduction, however you achieve it (lighter or shorter rods, better casting technique, etc) is very welcome!
If you have a bent handle and you still choose to push with the top hand(or that is your casting style)? It doesn't really make you a better caster does it?

You simply have a rod with a bent handle but cast the same. Only difference would be seen if you choose to change your style. No?
 

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I think the phrase “almost certainly” covers this. Maybe buying a rod with a bent handle shows a willingness to make some changes in casting technique; maybe it doesn‘t.

One further thought for rodbender; personally I tend to use the recommended line weights on Zpey and Salmologic rods as very much a lower limit. In practise I tend to use a few grams more because I don’t want to work quite as hard to generate the tip speed necessary to cast these lighter lines an equivalent distance.
 

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I think the phrase “almost certainly” covers this. Maybe buying a rod with a bent handle shows a willingness to make some changes in casting technique; maybe it doesn‘t.

One further thought for rodbender; personally I tend to use the recommended line weights on Zpey and Salmologic rods as very much a lower limit. In practise I tend to use a few grams more because I don’t want to work quite as hard to generate the tip speed necessary to cast these lighter lines an equivalent distance.
Thanks for the detailed answer, I am just trying to improve my casting and avoid slipping back into bad habits of pushing with the top hand, if the bent handle helps this in any way then brilliant.
 

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Thank you did you use recommended line weight on them? the rod is recommended for 33-35 I have only tried the Gaelforce multi tip 40 grams on it and it went well.
Hi no as has already been said by britfisher and yourself i went over the recommended weight by a good few grams and it worked well
 

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So, after all the above, you sold the rod? FFS!
I managed to get a cast with this before it was moved on, I fully get these have a following, and spending 10 minutes isn't really giving something enough time to adapt, but the bent handle simply wasn't for me, the amount of rotation if you snap T was awful! Horse's for coarses I suppose :)
 

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Are you not fed up with the Gaelforce 14 ft yet? that`s the one I regret selling most :unsure:(y)

Always regret a decision made in haste.:)
To be absolutely fair, that rod went through 3 sets of hands before it found a caring and loving home.
It needed someone who was prepared to spend time and effort getting to know it.
It was untamed with a huge wild streak which needed resolved before it calmed down and gave something back.:D
When everything came together, it returned in spades and is now my goto high water / big river rod.
What I would say Dougie, is for yourself fishing nearly exclusively the Clyde, it is far too powerful a tool for that purpose.
Don't know what you are fishing with now, as that changes on a weekly basis it would seem, but a 13ft 8 weight is plenty big enough I.M.O.
As you have probably read, I find my 12ft Loop Cross S1 7wt, coincidently, also bought from another skilled Clyde angler, Jamie McC., to be bang on for me.
Mind you, get yourself on the bridge at Mauldslie this lunch time and ask around. Guaranteed to get 20 different answers as to what rod is best.
It's all about style, technique, action and comfort in hand.
I don't have to tell you what rod Wee Mick will recommend.
What I would say is that he could buy 6 of his favourites for the money I gave you for the Gaelforce.:rolleyes:
So, who's right and who's wrong?:unsure:
 

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Bent handles offer nothing to improving your technique or your hand/arm positions. A conventional straight handled rod and a bit of common sense and regular practice to maintain the correct form will be of far greater long term benefit. If you cant work out how to alter the balance of hand inputs with a straight rod then it wont get any easier with a bent one.

If you believe the bent handle actually gives you something then you are either trying to sell bent handled rods to others or you know so little about casting mechanics that you have chosen to follow the "Kings new clothes route" and are too lazy or lacking in grey matter to think logically about it.

The fact that the Zpey the original makers of the bent handle went bust and Loop (the only major tackle brand to try them) dropped them like a hot stone tells the story. I tested one of the first Zpey rods in the UK back in 2007 yet 13yrs later bent handles form a tiny minority of all salmon rods made says it all really.

Then again the main proponent of the benders now has been trying to tell the majority they are wrong for the last 10years!

Anyone who knows me will tell you I love innovation and anything that can improve efficiency really floats my boat, I studied the benders for a long time before reaching the conclusion I did, I really wanted to like them but in the end honesty prevailed. I still listen to arguments for them now but in truth nothing has been said about them that wasnt said back in 2007.

The only significant difference from the rods of 2007 to now is they have been made straighter, read into that what you will.
 

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Bent handles offer nothing to improving your technique or your hand/arm positions. A conventional straight handled rod and a bit of common sense and regular practice to maintain the correct form will be of far greater long term benefit. If you cant work out how to alter the balance of hand inputs with a straight rod then it wont get any easier with a bent one.

If you believe the bent handle actually gives you something then you are either trying to sell bent handled rods to others or you know so little about casting mechanics that you have chosen to follow the "Kings new clothes route" and are too lazy or lacking in grey matter to think logically about it.

The fact that the Zpey the original makers of the bent handle went bust and Loop (the only major tackle brand to try them) dropped them like a hot stone tells the story. I tested one of the first Zpey rods in the UK back in 2007 yet 13yrs later bent handles form a tiny minority of all salmon rods made says it all really.

Then again the main proponent of the benders now has been trying to tell the majority they are wrong for the last 10years!

Anyone who knows me will tell you I love innovation and anything that can improve efficiency really floats my boat, I studied the benders for a long time before reaching the conclusion I did, I really wanted to like them but in the end honesty prevailed. I still listen to arguments for them now but in truth nothing has been said about them that wasnt said back in 2007.

The only significant difference from the rods of 2007 to now is they have been made straighter, read into that what you will.
Is it groundhog day? I fell I have awoken and its 10yrs ago! I'm sure I'm not alone in saying this, but we have missed your imput. (some anyway) :unsure: :unsure::giggle:;):)
 

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Bent handles offer nothing to improving your technique or your hand/arm positions. A conventional straight handled rod and a bit of common sense and regular practice to maintain the correct form will be of far greater long term benefit. If you cant work out how to alter the balance of hand inputs with a straight rod then it wont get any easier with a bent one.

If you believe the bent handle actually gives you something then you are either trying to sell bent handled rods to others or you know so little about casting mechanics that you have chosen to follow the "Kings new clothes route" and are too lazy or lacking in grey matter to think logically about it.

The fact that the Zpey the original makers of the bent handle went bust and Loop (the only major tackle brand to try them) dropped them like a hot stone tells the story. I tested one of the first Zpey rods in the UK back in 2007 yet 13yrs later bent handles form a tiny minority of all salmon rods made says it all really.

Then again the main proponent of the benders now has been trying to tell the majority they are wrong for the last 10years!

Anyone who knows me will tell you I love innovation and anything that can improve efficiency really floats my boat, I studied the benders for a long time before reaching the conclusion I did, I really wanted to like them but in the end honesty prevailed. I still listen to arguments for them now but in truth nothing has been said about them that wasnt said back in 2007.

The only significant difference from the rods of 2007 to now is they have been made straighter, read into that what you will.
That`s good enough for me from someone who knows what they are talking about(y)
 

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Always regret a decision made in haste.:)
To be absolutely fair, that rod went through 3 sets of hands before it found a caring and loving home.
It needed someone who was prepared to spend time and effort getting to know it.
It was untamed with a huge wild streak which needed resolved before it calmed down and gave something back.:D
When everything came together, it returned in spades and is now my goto high water / big river rod.
What I would say Dougie, is for yourself fishing nearly exclusively the Clyde, it is far too powerful a tool for that purpose.
Don't know what you are fishing with now, as that changes on a weekly basis it would seem, but a 13ft 8 weight is plenty big enough I.M.O.
As you have probably read, I find my 12ft Loop Cross S1 7wt, coincidently, also bought from another skilled Clyde angler, Jamie McC., to be bang on for me.
Mind you, get yourself on the bridge at Mauldslie this lunch time and ask around. Guaranteed to get 20 different answers as to what rod is best.
It's all about style, technique, action and comfort in hand.
I don't have to tell you what rod Wee Mick will recommend.
What I would say is that he could buy 6 of his favourites for the money I gave you for the Gaelforce.:rolleyes:
So, who's right and who's wrong?:unsure:

tom he also had a great 12ft 6 marksman 2s spot on for the clyde that he moved on to quickly but it’s got a loving ??❤️home now ??
 
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