A Tay Shrimp Collection - The Black Arts

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Cheers everyone, thanks for comments. I also did a few tubes to finish off my collection. A little bit over dressed but happy enough with them. Sadly very few of them have had a swim! All the best, Patrick

note: hooks are big mouth doubles - which I just use for pictures. BMDs although having a nice shape bend at the sight of a pebble - so I’d be fishing these with a better hook


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Cheers everyone, thanks for comments. I also did a few tubes to finish off my collection. A little bit over dressed but happy enough with them. Sadly very few of them have had a swim! All the best, Patrick

note: hooks are big mouth doubles - which I just use for pictures. BMDs although having a nice shape bend at the sight of a pebble - so I’d be fishing these with a better hook


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I'm glad "Salmonkid" is trying to get his/her post count up for classifieds, or I'd have missed your tubes Dr P, lovely stuff !!
CB
 

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Having reverted to this post as the tyings mature with time and now look even better with age, I
meant to ask you.
How did you extract the tyings and particularly the subtle wee secrets from Tony?
Was it thumbscrews, electric shock or a case of Distiller's Choice?:):):):)
 
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Having reverted to this post as the tyings mature with time and now look even better with age, I
meant to ask you.
How did you extract the tyings and particularly the subtle wee secrets from Tony?
Was it thumbscrews, electric shock or a case of Distiller's Choice?:):):):)

Tony is like Fort Knox - carries his flies in a secret compartment with MYOFB. On ??. I doubt I could afford the dram that would open Pandora’s box!

His brother Philip (Pippy ??) can’t even be tempted to become a leaky sieve after a few drams either. Black family must be like assassins creed.

Ive been lucky enough to have and seen some originals. So I just took the T&S patterns and made them more like what I’d seen....probably get a Knock on the door after posting this...
 

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I once got an original from Phil on the Teith and we shared 18 salmon between us. The 3rd rod never got a pull.
Phil ended up with 11 that day but had 5 of a start before I managed to extract the LOAN of the killer fly
from him. I had 7 and managed to sneak the fly off the premises only to lose the fecker next day before I had a chance
to copy it.:confused::(
I reckon there's an unhealthy mix of witchcraft, voodoo and of course Black magic goes on up there at Murthly.:):)
 

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I’m not sure it’s just the fly Keirstream, those Black brothers are like Chuck Norris - they look at the water and tell the Salmon what fly they are having...Salmon whisperers ? when I tell the salmon what they are having, they have none of it
 

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Hi All,

Here's a collection of Tay Shrimp Flies by Tony Black (Murthly 2, Tay - fish magnet and superb fly tyer). I haven't tied all these patterns so thought I'd pull together a comprehensive set of instructions for myself - and also - tie them - and then share

If you want to go back and see tying tips and original articles- these are the ones I know of:

T&S 2009, August, page 84 - ‘Flies for all seasons’

T&S 2010, August , page 22 - ‘Born on the Tay’

T&S 2015, April, page 40 - ‘Chameleons catch Salmon,

What I like about Tony’s flies and why I recommend them is firstly they catch.

Secondly, they are relatively simple materials but with a lot going on - mix of colours, flash etc. (which I like). Everyone has bucktail - probably the most exotic feathers are Guinea fowl! So they are easily accessible to all tyers.

If you don't like JC and flash - perhaps look away now. Tony makes the point that he blends different flash to get different flickers of colour etc. - also, you can strip down the flash to suit how you like them

All the best, I hope it gives some food for thought.

Regards,

Patrick


Ghillie

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Tronach

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Stenton Shrimp

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Murthly Marauder

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UnderGhillie

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Blackos Dee Special


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Girnal

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Tying Pattern Instructions:

Ghillie

Hook: Gold typical but any
Tag: oval gold
Tail: Orange buck, orange flash
Butt: glo brite 11 green (optional)
Body: half/half gold holo into black floss, gold oval rib
Wing: yellow squirrel few strands flash, some longer.
Throat: orange buck with dyed blue guinea fowl ( or use orange hackles instead or even both)
JC
Head: glo brite 3 or 4

Tronach

In the T&S version, this is a layered tying pattern- ie. black over red over yellow over orange. The ones I’ve seen tied tend to be more blended.

Hook: Silver! (Although I’ve seen black as well)
Tag: Silver oval
Tail: Blended orange and yellow bucktail ( in T&S version it’s an orange tail - the yellow coming from the first layer of the wing) - 2 orange and 2 red flash ( I use midge flash)
Butt: glow brite 11 green
Body: full silver holo or half/half with black floss - silver oval rib
Throat: blue buck ( or feather hackles)
Wing: should be yellow then red then black. I’ve gone for blend of yellow and red with yellow and red flash then smidge black buck over- pulling a few longer fibres further over
JC
Head: glo brite 3 or 4

Next two are more subdued for clearer water - and you can subdue further using a half/half body with tinsel and black floss - and go dark hook. They are roughly the same fly with the Guinea fowl option on the MM to be slightly brighter version.

Stenton Shrimp

Hook: any
Tag: oval silver
Tail: yellow and red buck
Butt: Glo brite 4 or 5
Body: layer of glo brite 3 or 4 with opal mirage over. Stripped orange cock wound down ( I think full looks a bit heavy on smaller flies) and then silver rib wound up. Option to subdue colours by making front part of body black floss.
Wing: yellow and black buck with 5-6 strands black midge flash over - allow a couple of longer strands to drift over.
Hackle: Black cock
JC: orange or sunburst
Head: GB 3 or 4.

Murthly Marauder

Hook: any
Tag: oval gold
Tail: yellow, orange and black buck blend - but I tend to do Yellow/orange blend with smidge black over plus gold, yellow and black flash over
Butt: GB 4,5 or 11
Body: orange uni Mylar or same as Stenton shrimp. Stripped orange cock down and gold oval up over.
(Throat): not in the listed materials in T&S but looks like an orange and yellow buck throat
Wing: orange, yellow mixed buck with smidge black over 5-6 black flash
Hackle: dyed blue guinea fowl full hackle
Jc:eek:range or sunburst
Head: Red

Underghillie

Hook: gold or silver
Tag: hot yellow ultra wire
Tail: orange and yellow buck - gold, orange and yellow flash
Body: dubbed gold angel hair ribbed through with ultra wire
Throat: orange buck ( or cock) and blue Guinea fowl ( as per Ghillie)
Wing: Yellow, orange and black buck 5-6 strands black flash
JC
Head: Red or black ( to subdue)

Blackos Dee Special

Hook: any (although silver and black pref - black tube).
Tag: silver wire
Tail: yellow buck with yellow flash, smidge black over and 1 black flash
Body: opal mirage with silver wire rib
Throat: dyed blue squirrel
Wing: yellow buck with black buck over
Horns: Kingfisher blue flashabou or equivalent
Hackle: Black saddle
Head: kingfisher blue or equivalent

Girnal - this isn’t published so I’ve tried to decipher it:

Hook: pref silver (but gold too)
Tag: Silver oval tag
Butt: Red fluo 3 butt
Tail : Mix orange, yellow buck and red (smidge) with strands of orange and yellow flash
Body: Orange holo (original) body with silver oval rib - but note Silver holo also or do orange floss with opal mirage over.
Wing: think it's yellow and red blend buck and black buck as a smidge) and flash (think silver but i use orange, yellow or a fleck of orange krystal flash
Hackles: Small Orange over yellow cock
JC
Fluo 3 red head

Tying tip for all flies: with bucktail and squirrel it can be difficult to get tidy heads and throats - and on top of that a number of patterns use a floss head - so whatever happens expect a bigger head. The best way I’ve found to keep heads down in size, is to get your fibres tied in (2-3 wraps) so you are happy - then throw 3-4 wraps over that - tight. Then with thumb nail or scissors bend the fibres right back - they’ll stand proud of the eye allowing to tidy up better. Then unwrap your extra wraps and tidy up again. Other folk layer in a few fibres, one wrap, few fibres etc - so you aren’t then trying to manage a lot of bucktail as a final step.

Small trebles: there always tends to be some blood sacrifice whatever happens. That’s the voodoo of trebles to bless them ? but using hackles pliers to hold your wire for tags helps, as does folding your hackles - which helps reduce the need to smoothe the feather back to the points. Alternatively, use a trimmed toothbrush to stroke back hackle fibres when tying in. I doubt there is a single treble I’ve tied that hasn’t involve catching fingers.....
Superb sir 👌👌👌
 

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I once got an original from Phil on the Teith and we shared 18 salmon between us. The 3rd rod never got a pull.
Phil ended up with 11 that day but had 5 of a start before I managed to extract the LOAN of the killer fly
from him. I had 7 and managed to sneak the fly off the premises only to lose the fecker next day before I had a chance
to copy it.:confused::(
I reckon there's an unhealthy mix of witchcraft, voodoo and of course Black magic goes on up there at Murthly.:):)
Aye that was a great day Tom :cool: 🎣very nice tying Dr P don't know what I would do without Tony's flies,it's a must to have them in your box :cool: 🥃
 

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Aye that was a great day Tom :cool: 🎣very nice tying Dr P don't know what I would do without Tony's flies,it's a must to have them in your box :cool: 🥃
Cheers Dude, hope all is well - at this rate might catch up in 2022! Tight lines if you are out and about
 

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Another set of pictures to print out and go in the folder.
I'll be charging Dr Patrick for ink.

Great pics.

Sewinfly. ........
 

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I've just looked at this post again for the first time in a while and it seems to get better Every time I look. It really is class Patrick. A few more like this woukd be great, but gosh, doesn't it take a bit of doing ......
 
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I've just looked at this post again for the first time in a while and it seems to get better Every time I look. It really is class Patrick. A few more like this woukd be great, but gosh, doesn't take a bit of doing ......
Thanks Nathan, I think it takes longer to add the post to the forum than it did to tie the flies ( and that took me a good few days) 🤣🤣🤣
 
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