A Tay Shrimp Collection - The Black Arts

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Awesome job there Patrick! :cool::cool::cool:

Hope you are well and can get out to give them all a swim soon.

All the best.
 

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Awesome Dr P I think Tony would be happy with them :thumb::fish2:

Cheers Phil, I hope all is good with you and family. Glad you like them, there again I hear you and Tony don’t choose which fly to use, you tell the salmon which one they are having ??.
 

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Cheers Phil, I hope all is good with you and family. Glad you like them, there again I hear you and Tony don’t choose which fly to use, you tell the salmon which one they are having ??.
Haha there are a few patterns there that have saved the blank;)
 

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Great work there from the Doc. Now for Ross Mac'D followed by Ally G and maybe Duncan E?!? ?

Cheers salmonaddict - Lol - I was mulling it over- Ross McD need good artic runner - and most artic runner I have or could buy is rubbish - anyone know of a good source? But some flamethrowers and some Ally G I could do with in the box.
 

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Cheers salmonaddict - Lol - I was mulling it over- Ross McD need good artic runner - and most artic runner I have or could buy is rubbish - anyone know of a good source? But some flamethrowers and some Ally G I could do with in the box.

Arctic Fox body fur is a very good substitute. I've been tying a lot of Parkys recently and have been using it to good effect. The body fur is a lot softer than tail and has long guard hairs ?

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Cracking post DrPatrickT. Beautiful selection of flies. If I was pushed to pick a favourite it would be the Under Ghillie. Thanks for sharing.
Cheers Diarmid.
 

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Absolutely fantastic post and top notch fly's to go with it ???. A big Thank's Patrick for taking the time to put together such an informative post ? glad it's been made into a sticky ??
 

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Absolutely fantastic post and top notch fly's to go with it ???. A big Thank's Patrick for taking the time to put together such an informative post ? glad it's been made into a sticky ??

Cheers Lv10 - it means a lot to me that a tyer like yourself appreciates the post. All the best, Patrick
 

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Hi All,

Here's a collection of Tay Shrimp Flies by Tony Black (Murthly 2, Tay - fish magnet and superb fly tyer). I haven't tied all these patterns so thought I'd pull together a comprehensive set of instructions for myself - and also - tie them - and then share

If you want to go back and see tying tips and original articles- these are the ones I know of:

T&S 2009, August, page 84 - ‘Flies for all seasons’

T&S 2010, August , page 22 - ‘Born on the Tay’

T&S 2015, April, page 40 - ‘Chameleons catch Salmon,

What I like about Tony’s flies and why I recommend them is firstly they catch.

Secondly, they are relatively simple materials but with a lot going on - mix of colours, flash etc. (which I like). Everyone has bucktail - probably the most exotic feathers are Guinea fowl! So they are easily accessible to all tyers.

If you don't like JC and flash - perhaps look away now. Tony makes the point that he blends different flash to get different flickers of colour etc. - also, you can strip down the flash to suit how you like them

All the best, I hope it gives some food for thought.

Regards,

Patrick


Ghillie

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Tronach

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Stenton Shrimp

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Murthly Marauder

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UnderGhillie

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Blackos Dee Special


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Girnal

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Tying Pattern Instructions:

Ghillie

Hook: Gold typical but any
Tag: oval gold
Tail: Orange buck, orange flash
Butt: glo brite 11 green (optional)
Body: half/half gold holo into black floss, gold oval rib
Wing: yellow squirrel few strands flash, some longer.
Throat: orange buck with dyed blue guinea fowl ( or use orange hackles instead or even both)
JC
Head: glo brite 3 or 4

Tronach

In the T&S version, this is a layered tying pattern- ie. black over red over yellow over orange. The ones I’ve seen tied tend to be more blended.

Hook: Silver! (Although I’ve seen black as well)
Tag: Silver oval
Tail: Blended orange and yellow bucktail ( in T&S version it’s an orange tail - the yellow coming from the first layer of the wing) - 2 orange and 2 red flash ( I use midge flash)
Butt: glow brite 11 green
Body: full silver holo or half/half with black floss - silver oval rib
Throat: blue buck ( or feather hackles)
Wing: should be yellow then red then black. I’ve gone for blend of yellow and red with yellow and red flash then smidge black buck over- pulling a few longer fibres further over
JC
Head: glo brite 3 or 4

Next two are more subdued for clearer water - and you can subdue further using a half/half body with tinsel and black floss - and go dark hook. They are roughly the same fly with the Guinea fowl option on the MM to be slightly brighter version.

Stenton Shrimp

Hook: any
Tag: oval silver
Tail: yellow and red buck
Butt: Glo brite 4 or 5
Body: layer of glo brite 3 or 4 with opal mirage over. Stripped orange cock wound down ( I think full looks a bit heavy on smaller flies) and then silver rib wound up. Option to subdue colours by making front part of body black floss.
Wing: yellow and black buck with 5-6 strands black midge flash over - allow a couple of longer strands to drift over.
Hackle: Black cock
JC: orange or sunburst
Head: GB 3 or 4.

Murthly Marauder

Hook: any
Tag: oval gold
Tail: yellow, orange and black buck blend - but I tend to do Yellow/orange blend with smidge black over plus gold, yellow and black flash over
Butt: GB 4,5 or 11
Body: orange uni Mylar or same as Stenton shrimp. Stripped orange cock down and gold oval up over.
(Throat): not in the listed materials in T&S but looks like an orange and yellow buck throat
Wing: orange, yellow mixed buck with smidge black over 5-6 black flash
Hackle: dyed blue guinea fowl full hackle
Jc:eek:range or sunburst
Head: Red

Underghillie

Hook: gold or silver
Tag: hot yellow ultra wire
Tail: orange and yellow buck - gold, orange and yellow flash
Body: dubbed gold angel hair ribbed through with ultra wire
Throat: orange buck ( or cock) and blue Guinea fowl ( as per Ghillie)
Wing: Yellow, orange and black buck 5-6 strands black flash
JC
Head: Red or black ( to subdue)

Blackos Dee Special

Hook: any (although silver and black pref - black tube).
Tag: silver wire
Tail: yellow buck with yellow flash, smidge black over and 1 black flash
Body: opal mirage with silver wire rib
Throat: dyed blue squirrel
Wing: yellow buck with black buck over
Horns: Kingfisher blue flashabou or equivalent
Hackle: Black saddle
Head: kingfisher blue or equivalent

Girnal - this isn’t published so I’ve tried to decipher it:

Hook: pref silver (but gold too)
Tag: Silver oval tag
Butt: Red fluo 3 butt
Tail : Mix orange, yellow buck and red (smidge) with strands of orange and yellow flash
Body: Orange holo (original) body with silver oval rib - but note Silver holo also or do orange floss with opal mirage over.
Wing: think it's yellow and red blend buck and black buck as a smidge) and flash (think silver but i use orange, yellow or a fleck of orange krystal flash
Hackles: Small Orange over yellow cock
JC
Fluo 3 red head

Tying tip for all flies: with bucktail and squirrel it can be difficult to get tidy heads and throats - and on top of that a number of patterns use a floss head - so whatever happens expect a bigger head. The best way I’ve found to keep heads down in size, is to get your fibres tied in (2-3 wraps) so you are happy - then throw 3-4 wraps over that - tight. Then with thumb nail or scissors bend the fibres right back - they’ll stand proud of the eye allowing to tidy up better. Then unwrap your extra wraps and tidy up again. Other folk layer in a few fibres, one wrap, few fibres etc - so you aren’t then trying to manage a lot of bucktail as a final step.

Small trebles: there always tends to be some blood sacrifice whatever happens. That’s the voodoo of trebles to bless them ? but using hackles pliers to hold your wire for tags helps, as does folding your hackles - which helps reduce the need to smoothe the feather back to the points. Alternatively, use a trimmed toothbrush to stroke back hackle fibres when tying in. I doubt there is a single treble I’ve tied that hasn’t involve catching fingers.....
Fantastic flies ?
 

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Just seen this thread it's great. Been tying for my trip in two weeks and got some inspiration.

I attempted the Stenton Shrimp after seeing in T&S, might still have a few in my box.

In fact, i've learned so much from all on here, thanks to all of you for sharing the art

WD
 

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WOW! Amazing flies Patrick. Must say the Tronach holds a special palce in my box, superb fly. I never knew Tony tied the Girnal though, the flies are beatifully tied and look like they would last a bit longer than a few casts too!
 

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Hi All,

Here's a collection of Tay Shrimp Flies by Tony Black (Murthly 2, Tay - fish magnet and superb fly tyer). I haven't tied all these patterns so thought I'd pull together a comprehensive set of instructions for myself - and also - tie them - and then share

If you want to go back and see tying tips and original articles- these are the ones I know of:

T&S 2009, August, page 84 - ‘Flies for all seasons’

T&S 2010, August , page 22 - ‘Born on the Tay’

T&S 2015, April, page 40 - ‘Chameleons catch Salmon,

What I like about Tony’s flies and why I recommend them is firstly they catch.

Secondly, they are relatively simple materials but with a lot going on - mix of colours, flash etc. (which I like). Everyone has bucktail - probably the most exotic feathers are Guinea fowl! So they are easily accessible to all tyers.

If you don't like JC and flash - perhaps look away now. Tony makes the point that he blends different flash to get different flickers of colour etc. - also, you can strip down the flash to suit how you like them

All the best, I hope it gives some food for thought.

Regards,

Patrick


Ghillie

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Tronach

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Stenton Shrimp

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Murthly Marauder

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UnderGhillie

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Blackos Dee Special


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Girnal

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All together:

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Tying Pattern Instructions:

Ghillie

Hook: Gold typical but any
Tag: oval gold
Tail: Orange buck, orange flash
Butt: glo brite 11 green (optional)
Body: half/half gold holo into black floss, gold oval rib
Wing: yellow squirrel few strands flash, some longer.
Throat: orange buck with dyed blue guinea fowl ( or use orange hackles instead or even both)
JC
Head: glo brite 3 or 4

Tronach

In the T&S version, this is a layered tying pattern- ie. black over red over yellow over orange. The ones I’ve seen tied tend to be more blended.

Hook: Silver! (Although I’ve seen black as well)
Tag: Silver oval
Tail: Blended orange and yellow bucktail ( in T&S version it’s an orange tail - the yellow coming from the first layer of the wing) - 2 orange and 2 red flash ( I use midge flash)
Butt: glow brite 11 green
Body: full silver holo or half/half with black floss - silver oval rib
Throat: blue buck ( or feather hackles)
Wing: should be yellow then red then black. I’ve gone for blend of yellow and red with yellow and red flash then smidge black buck over- pulling a few longer fibres further over
JC
Head: glo brite 3 or 4

Next two are more subdued for clearer water - and you can subdue further using a half/half body with tinsel and black floss - and go dark hook. They are roughly the same fly with the Guinea fowl option on the MM to be slightly brighter version.

Stenton Shrimp

Hook: any
Tag: oval silver
Tail: yellow and red buck
Butt: Glo brite 4 or 5
Body: layer of glo brite 3 or 4 with opal mirage over. Stripped orange cock wound down ( I think full looks a bit heavy on smaller flies) and then silver rib wound up. Option to subdue colours by making front part of body black floss.
Wing: yellow and black buck with 5-6 strands black midge flash over - allow a couple of longer strands to drift over.
Hackle: Black cock
JC: orange or sunburst
Head: GB 3 or 4.

Murthly Marauder

Hook: any
Tag: oval gold
Tail: yellow, orange and black buck blend - but I tend to do Yellow/orange blend with smidge black over plus gold, yellow and black flash over
Butt: GB 4,5 or 11
Body: orange uni Mylar or same as Stenton shrimp. Stripped orange cock down and gold oval up over.
(Throat): not in the listed materials in T&S but looks like an orange and yellow buck throat
Wing: orange, yellow mixed buck with smidge black over 5-6 black flash
Hackle: dyed blue guinea fowl full hackle
Jc:eek:range or sunburst
Head: Red

Underghillie

Hook: gold or silver
Tag: hot yellow ultra wire
Tail: orange and yellow buck - gold, orange and yellow flash
Body: dubbed gold angel hair ribbed through with ultra wire
Throat: orange buck ( or cock) and blue Guinea fowl ( as per Ghillie)
Wing: Yellow, orange and black buck 5-6 strands black flash
JC
Head: Red or black ( to subdue)

Blackos Dee Special

Hook: any (although silver and black pref - black tube).
Tag: silver wire
Tail: yellow buck with yellow flash, smidge black over and 1 black flash
Body: opal mirage with silver wire rib
Throat: dyed blue squirrel
Wing: yellow buck with black buck over
Horns: Kingfisher blue flashabou or equivalent
Hackle: Black saddle
Head: kingfisher blue or equivalent

Girnal - this isn’t published so I’ve tried to decipher it:

Hook: pref silver (but gold too)
Tag: Silver oval tag
Butt: Red fluo 3 butt
Tail : Mix orange, yellow buck and red (smidge) with strands of orange and yellow flash
Body: Orange holo (original) body with silver oval rib - but note Silver holo also or do orange floss with opal mirage over.
Wing: think it's yellow and red blend buck and black buck as a smidge) and flash (think silver but i use orange, yellow or a fleck of orange krystal flash
Hackles: Small Orange over yellow cock
JC
Fluo 3 red head

Tying tip for all flies: with bucktail and squirrel it can be difficult to get tidy heads and throats - and on top of that a number of patterns use a floss head - so whatever happens expect a bigger head. The best way I’ve found to keep heads down in size, is to get your fibres tied in (2-3 wraps) so you are happy - then throw 3-4 wraps over that - tight. Then with thumb nail or scissors bend the fibres right back - they’ll stand proud of the eye allowing to tidy up better. Then unwrap your extra wraps and tidy up again. Other folk layer in a few fibres, one wrap, few fibres etc - so you aren’t then trying to manage a lot of bucktail as a final step.

Small trebles: there always tends to be some blood sacrifice whatever happens. That’s the voodoo of trebles to bless them ? but using hackles pliers to hold your wire for tags helps, as does folding your hackles - which helps reduce the need to smoothe the feather back to the points. Alternatively, use a trimmed toothbrush to stroke back hackle fibres when tying in. I doubt there is a single treble I’ve tied that hasn’t involve catching fingers.....
What a great selection of flies ? well done great post
 
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