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    Quote Originally Posted by salmonshrimp View Post
    And the British Empire lasted ?
    What's this got to do with a No or Yes vote ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveron View Post
    What's this got to do with a No or Yes vote ?
    The same as 307

    Okay a bit cryptic so let's say Rome still exists and so does Britain
    Last edited by salmonshrimp; 29-01-2014 at 11:17 AM.

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    Yes Victor, after England put pressure on other nations to withdraw funding from Scotland, and also blocked trade routes to and from Scotland. I wonder what would happen to the UK if Europe blocked the trade routes and the rest of the world withdrew funding and asked for their money back?
    "... the grand excuse for loitering in peaceful places."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveron View Post
    Can someone post confirmed documentation that proves these figures are wrong.
    Deveron, the figures were probably correct, but when you take Scotland's geographical share of the oil into consideration, then the figures skew in favour of Scotland. If you look a little deeper and consider the amount that Scotland coontributes to "national" projects in the south that equate to infrastructure improvements or market improvements, while we receive very little of this type of funding in return ( I highlighted some examples in a previous post), it becomes clear that things are a little skewed in terms of money spent to money collected.
    With less spent on infrastructure in Scotland, most services become more expensive to run.
    The basis for the report was projections where growth in the rest of the UK was set at a higher level than in Scotland. This may be true if we remained in the UK because the mechanics needed to grow the UK economy have, for a very long ime now, been focussed away from Scotalnd and many other parts of the UK. However, an independent Scotland would be able to better manage the economy of Scotland to ensure that the economic model supported growth in Scotland, rather than drawing business and people away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveron View Post
    Can someone post confirmed documentation that proves these figures are wrong.
    Putting into context we pay more taxes per head as well, but we get less back as a percentage than we put in.

    10 key economic facts that prove Scotland will be a wealthy independent nation : Business for Scotland

    Government Expenditure & Revenue Scotland 2011-12

    Might as well add the current GBP currency list I believe Ireland used it for a while too
    Great Britain Pound Sterling GBP
    Isle of Man Pound Sterling GBP
    Jersey Pound Sterling GBP
    South Georgia & South Sandwich Islands Pound Sterling GBP
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    Quote Originally Posted by piker View Post
    The big difference is that if your marraige goes belly up you get divorced and go back to how things were ( probably slightly poorer admitedly)

    If we go independent and it turns out that we are in a big mess we wont be taken back into the UK
    Wont we? Nobody knows the answer to that, but chances the option would always be available, and going by the Better Together Campaigners not wanting to lose us in the first place, I am sure they would be happy to welcome us back if it came to it.

    So what you are saying is that you could vote, you would be more inclined to vote Yes if you had a get out, back to what you had before! Isn't risk a wonderful thing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by salar35 View Post
    Yes, Piker.........its empire lasted 677 years. Can anyone do the arithmetic for "2014 minus 1707"?
    Salar35,

    Did you know that in 1707 when the Act of Union was formed, in the House of Lords and House of Commons, Scottish representation was less than that of Cornwall. In effect, the English parliament became the British parliament with marginal readjustment to accommodate Scottish interests.

    Also,

    The enduring popular belief that Scottish politicians were bought and sold for English gold turns attention away from those Scots who negotiated union. They were not so much corrupt as inept.

    And,

    Did you also know, For the Irish, union lasted just over a century?


    Things have got to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piker View Post
    These issues NEED to be confirmed before the vote. Of course they do.

    Otherwise what on earth is there to actually vote on ?

    Oh, and look what happended to Rome.....
    LOOK'S LIKE YOU'LL BE VOTING NO THEN
    Afraid it won't be cut an dried enough for that to happen.
    Broaden your horizons,the vote is not just about how much debt were gonna have.
    It's having a bit faith in our own country standing on it's own.
    Currency/Debt is a big thing but the Scottish people are going to ask for the best deal possible,their not going to just take what their given.
    The way Alex's is talking we might not take any debt at all if no agreement is made.
    The bank of England will have their own calculations of what The Scots should have.That's where an agreement will have to be made.

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    Another couple of examples of where London benefits from the taxes raised elsewhere...

    Knees up, knees up… | Derek Bateman Broadcaster1

    For those that keep bringing up the propoganda that Scotland costs more per head of population than the rest of the UK, these types of projects and incentives for the South are usually factored into our spending, as well as the rUK, while the oil and other Scottish generated income is not factored as coming specifically from Scotland.
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    Bank of England Mark Carney's speech today without political spin

    http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publi.../speech706.pdf
    Last edited by salmonshrimp; 29-01-2014 at 04:09 PM.

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