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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicharito View Post
    Saw some of the interview this morning, had to turn TV off.
    Poor thing! Someone who he thought was his best fwend has dobbed on him.
    Thought he was going to burst into tears!
    Pathetic!!
    Boo hooo!
    Hellooo! Welcome to the real world!
    Steady on there fella, in his position of Shadow Minister for 'I have hurt feelings' he was correct to make a song and dance about the situation as he did.

    Incidently does anyone really 'josh' anymore, thought it was now 'bantz'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safranfoer View Post

    As a matter of urgency, they need to take social media, 'journalists', elections and referendums off us. We can't be trusted with nice things.
    Best thing you've said for ages and I'm glad you are recognising the power of well placed snippets of misinformation. This has been something I have been aware of for years, it's nothing to do with the tories it is a cynical but cost effective way of acquiring favour and all sorts of political parties, corporations, lobyists etc do it. In your profession I would have thought you would have been extremely aware of it?

    To illustrate the point with something a bit contentious (for a corbynite anyway) Do you recall 3 or 4 years ago. Corbyn is about to become Labour leader, an honest man, bursting with sincerity, determined to do things ANOTHER way. Champion of the downtrodden, enemy of capitalist exploitation, sleeves rolled up - mucking in just like everyone else out there, first target - re-nationalise the railways (after a particularly unpopular period of rail chaos)

    What to do? I know, get on a train to somewhere and sit on the floor with the masses, it shows I'm just like them, suffering sh!t service at the hands of the greedy rail bosses. Have a sly photo taken for the machine to place in social media and the grauniad for maximum effect. Slight problem, it was all bollacks and there were 150 empty seats on the train.

    This is the world you lot have created I count myself out of it. I'm just into Bosch front loaders getting the good news these days - far more honest a pursuit than the current horror show that has temporarily taken over from coronation st, football, religion, whatever, as a means of amusement
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzyian View Post
    Steady on there fella, in his position of Shadow Minister for 'I have hurt feelings' he was correct to make a song and dance about the situation as he did.

    Incidently does anyone really 'josh' anymore, thought it was now 'bantz'

    Sorry ! Only joshing old bean !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzyian View Post
    Best thing you've said for ages and I'm glad you are recognising the power of well placed snippets of misinformation. This has been something I have been aware of for years, it's nothing to do with the tories it is a cynical but cost effective way of acquiring favour and all sorts of political parties, corporations, lobyists etc do it. In your profession I would have thought you would have been extremely aware of it?

    To illustrate the point with something a bit contentious (for a corbynite anyway) Do you recall 3 or 4 years ago. Corbyn is about to become Labour leader, an honest man, bursting with sincerity, determined to do things ANOTHER way. Champion of the downtrodden, enemy of capitalist exploitation, sleeves rolled up - mucking in just like everyone else out there, first target - re-nationalise the railways (after a particularly unpopular period of rail chaos)

    What to do? I know, get on a train to somewhere and sit on the floor with the masses, it shows I'm just like them, suffering sh!t service at the hands of the greedy rail bosses. Have a sly photo taken for the machine to place in social media and the grauniad for maximum effect. Slight problem, it was all bollacks and there were 150 empty seats on the train.

    This is the world you lot have created I count myself out of it. I'm just into Bosch front loaders getting the good news these days - far more honest a pursuit than the current horror show that has temporarily taken over from coronation st, football, religion, whatever, as a means of amusement
    Without wishing to disagree with your broad point (I've asked them to turn this place off shortly as part of my social media purge - for yes I am Queen - so it's important you know I agree with you) - the Traingate struggle was real. Virgin edited the CCTV footage they released - when the full footage was eventually released, it showed that the seats were reserved, lots of other people were sitting on the floor in vestibules as a result, and seats that looked unoccupied and unreserved in the original clip released actually had children in when viewed from the other end of the carriage.

    So yes, fake news - but not Corbyn's fake news.

    Won't happen again under my social media ban though.

    Edited to add link to footage: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...tYILuMd5EosJiQ

    Also explains the story in more detail. Corbyn's campaign manager shot the original vestibule footage and was so frustrated that it was being rubbished, he pursued Virgin for the full clip.
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    General election 2019: Ads are 'indecent, dishonest and untruthful' - BBC News

    Over a 4-day sample period, 88% of the Conservative Party's paid targeted adverts are fully or partially incorrect.

    Over the same 4-day period, 0% of Labour paid targeted adverts were. They cite one instance of an organic social media post by Jeremy Corbyn with a disputed healthcare figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safranfoer View Post
    This campaign stinks.
    The truth doesn't need many words, thanks for the breath of fresh air.
    firefly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safranfoer View Post
    General election 2019: Ads are 'indecent, dishonest and untruthful' - BBC News

    Over a 4-day sample period, 88% of the Conservative Party's paid targeted adverts are fully or partially incorrect.

    Over the same 4-day period, 0% of Labour paid targeted adverts were. They cite one instance of an organic social media post by Jeremy Corbyn with a disputed healthcare figure.
    It shouldn't come as any great surprise. Cummings used exactly the same social media campaigning methods to win the referendum.

    Normally people, even the "meh generation", would be outraged but I think ever since Blair political lying has become more and more mainstream. Personally I so want all the nonsense to be over and so don't want Corbyn to be PM that I'm surprisingly unupset.

    I do hope we get a proper go at electoral reform though, the entire system needs a full overhaul from top to bottom.

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    I donít understand how any one human can be so bad youíll cheerfully accept outright liars. Though youíre a natural Conservative voter so I guess I do understand. Itís your team.

    Itís the labour voters turning to the tories because of Brexit that baffle me. Johnson lies about everything. Brexit wonít be Ďdoneí any time soon, the EU are already rumbling about concessions re stuff like fisheries. His deal may be oven ready, but itís a turkey.

    And yet. Despite the fact that over and over and over again he is proven to lie, people trust him on Brexit. I honestly donít get it. I understand leave voters feeling extremely let down. But to place their faith in Johnson as a result?! It actually defies logic. We donít think heís a duplicitous skunk. We actually know he is.

    I dunno. Politics has stopped being fascinating. Iíve stopped feeling like Iím living through history; that I need to pay attention for the grandkids. Itís an actual cesspit now. Whatever happens on Thursday wonít improve it.

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    When does parliament knock off for the festive season bunfight ?

    Perhaps more importantly, when does it reconvene?


    Where is Mogg ?
    Normally , Iíd take his absence as a plus point
    But.......................
    Last edited by ibm59; 10-12-2019 at 06:50 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safranfoer View Post
    I donít understand how any one human can be so bad youíll cheerfully accept outright liars. Though youíre a natural Conservative voter so I guess I do understand. Itís your team.

    Itís the labour voters turning to the tories because of Brexit that baffle me. Johnson lies about everything. Brexit wonít be Ďdoneí any time soon, the EU are already rumbling about concessions re stuff like fisheries. His deal may be oven ready, but itís a turkey.

    And yet. Despite the fact that over and over and over again he is proven to lie, people trust him on Brexit. I honestly donít get it. I understand leave voters feeling extremely let down. But to place their faith in Johnson as a result?! It actually defies logic. We donít think heís a duplicitous skunk. We actually know he is.

    I dunno. Politics has stopped being fascinating. Iíve stopped feeling like Iím living through history; that I need to pay attention for the grandkids. Itís an actual cesspit now. Whatever happens on Thursday wonít improve it.
    Funnily enough I'm not a natural Tory although for this election I've become naturalised. I'm naturally economically conservative (small c) and socially liberal (small l) and have wavered between one nation Conservatism and Lib Dems, I really liked the coalition!, since I grew up and realised the hopeless flaws with socialism in my twenties. I last voted Conservative in 2010.

    This election is about least bad and while I think Boris is a very, very long way from what we need and despite the fact that I genuinely believe leaving the EU is a major mistake I still believe that he is miles less bad than the alternative. My living and hobbies revolve around fieldsports and Corbyn is, IMO, a massive direct threat to that. I also have reason to dislike intensely the institutional anti semitism that has poisoned Labour. I do not believe this is exaggerated or mistaken for anti Zionism. I also believe that Corbynomics will bankrupt the country and blight my children's lives and possibly their children's too in paying for our lifestyle today.

    The only choice is Labour or Conservative therefore the only possible rational course of action for me is to vote Conservative.
    Hopefully in the next 5 years Labour will return to a more centerist position, and I can risk voting for the candidate I want to represent me rather than voting to stop a party gaining power. Who knows what will happen in future but life must be lived however constrained the circumstances and we have to get through where we are now.

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