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    I find it really edifying to find that Bozo is not the only mendacious joker in the deck of iffy government cards. Brandon Lewis it seems is not also beyond cheating at poker and betting with roubles.




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    It's all very well using WW2 analogies when referring to Brexit - 'spirit of the blitz' and all that. Imagine the curious atmosphere though if you were sitting in your air raid shelter looking around and realising that half of the people around you had voted to get bombed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safranfoer View Post
    seeking, blaming 'remoaners' for everything is getting verrrrry dull. Remoaners didn't make Johnson lie, over and over again, about everything. They didn't introduce and then double down on austerity - did you see that statistic, that there are now more food banks in the UK than McDonalds? Those bloody golden arches are EVERYWHERE. It's a very visual stat.

    I also don't think Frankie Boyle is blaming remoaners for the current state of the nation, tacitly or otherwise...

    "Brexit supporters are surely among the most likely to get out and vote, especially now Jeremy Kyle isn’t on in the daytime any more. It was impossible to predict that the whole country would be thrown into crisis by middle-aged men outraged about Europe making decisions for them (these are people whose wives buy their socks), but I can understand their subsequent disillusionment. If 434 MPs vote for a general election, we instantly get one; if 0.14% of the populace vote for Boris Johnson, we instantly get him; but if 52% of the electorate vote for Brexit, they get three years of what feels like trying to **** out a pool table. Essentially, Brexit has proved impossible to deliver: turns out it’s tricky for English voters to take back control of their borders when one of them is in someone else’s country. Many people wish David Cameron had never called the referendum in the first place. It says a lot about how badly the last couple of years have gone, that there’s a guy who destroyed Libya, presided over needless austerity and ****ed a pig, and we wish that he’d just used his own judgment."

    He states he won't be voting for the Conservatives, and ends thus - which is very lovely:

    "Twenty miles up, it’s a freezing cold universe, we only have the human connections we make here, nothing is permanent, and love is our only defence. I suggest we all vote accordingly, and try to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is."
    Brexit supporters/Jeremy Kyle, cheap shot and wide of the mark, you'll be calling them line dancers next

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    Drinks and snacks bought
    Thursday into Friday promises to be an entertaining night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by happy days View Post
    Brexit supporters/Jeremy Kyle, cheap shot and wide of the mark, you'll be calling them line dancers next
    Not my dig. Just interested in how seeking reached the conclusion that Frankie Boyle tacitly blames ‘remoaners’ for where we are now when he explicitly ridicules those that voted Leave.

    Agree that it’s lazy.

    Also agree with Frankie Boyle re the potential Venn diagram of, ‘men that don’t want Brussels controlling us’ and ‘men whose wives buy all their clothes’, just because it made me laugh. Suspect same wives also control free time and tv consumption. Maybe Remain would have won if some wives were less controlling...?

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    Well, it's very close but there is a real chance my constituency will not be labour for the first time since 1935.
    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/...eat=Sedgefield

    If the Brexit party weren't competing this seat, the Tories would be a certainty to take it.

    Meanwhile, in the constituency in which I was born and raised, it looks like the Tories are going to win a landslide victory. This would be the first Tory MP ever in this constituency and bear in mind that labour held this seat for 96 years of the 20th century.
    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/...hop%20Auckland

    Electoral calculus is a decent site - worth a read of you are interested in politics or enter your postcode if you want to see predictions for your seat or fancy a bit of tactical voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye View Post
    Well, it's very close but there is a real chance my constituency will not be labour for the first time since 1935.
    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/...eat=Sedgefield

    If the Brexit party weren't competing this seat, the Tories would be a certainty to take it.

    Meanwhile, in the constituency in which I was born and raised, it looks like the Tories are going to win a landslide victory. This would be the first Tory MP ever in this constituency and bear in mind that labour held this seat for 96 years of the 20th century.
    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/...hop%20Auckland

    Electoral calculus is a decent site - worth a read of you are interested in politics or enter your postcode if you want to see predictions for your seat or fancy a bit of tactical voting.
    Chickens, eggs, all that.

    I think one thing we've learned is that polls are very misleading (some Poles are too) Misleading in that in the climate and age we live in they have not kept pace with the sophistication of peoples responses to questions put to them.

    I think thats why in the last election and the referendum that caused it they missed by miles. The fact that they subsequently claimed them to be broadly within advertised error is neither here nor there as is the fact that many claim to be independent when they are not.

    I think they are used as a part of campaigns trying to lend momentum and influence opinion at crucial times. A good example is the anti Jewish thing which seems to me to be light on evidence to be such a giant poll shifting issue. All up there is very little to commend them in my view and I also have a sneaking suspicion that they are really a tool for manipulation whether by the media (to create some headlines) or the parties themselves. That (and the fact that we can't afford one) means that the SDWMP will never stoop to their use.

    Personally its another area I would like to see highly regulated, I mean, what possible good can come from pre-empting an election result? Or maybe it's all just part of the entertainment and I've got the christmas spirit too early
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    My seat is predicted a Conservative hold using Electoral Calculus. I think this is pretty much a certainty.

    The only slight fly in their ointment might be fracking - our local MP was too quick to jump all over 'we've banned fracking!' when the reality is, it's just been paused while the government investigates (read: gets this election out of the way). It went down very badly locally, as fracking is a massive concern for everyone around here, earthquakes not being particularly welcome, regardless of how small.

    It's his only real campaign mis-step though. I love the Labour candidate but she's too red to take any centrist votes. Even I balked at being called 'comrade' so many times, when I saw her speak the other week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzyian View Post

    Personally its another area I would like to see highly regulated, I mean, what possible good can come from pre-empting an election result? Or maybe it's all just part of the entertainment and I've got the christmas spirit too early
    There are dark corners of social media convinced that the polls are a right wing conspiracy driving the vote - principles of social proof, if this is what the majority are doing, I should do it too.

    A less paranoid, more positive take on that would be that the polls could harm the Conservatives more than Labour - encouraging a sense of complacency among Tory voters that it's in the bag, my vote is neither here nor there , while driving out Labour voters in increasing number as they feel they have a mountain to climb.

    Snap polls after TV debates really annoy me. The X-Factorisation of politics. Sod off.

    I'd happily get rid of them. They're meaningless and whatever influence they have on voter intention isn't a good thing, however limited it might be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safranfoer View Post

    It's his only real campaign mis-step though. I love the Labour candidate but she's too red to take any centrist votes. Even I balked at being called 'comrade' so many times, when I saw her speak the other week.
    Ah, Comrade!!!!!
    How very 70s.
    I felt so great at the tender age of 21 being elected Comrade Chairman to the biggest local party in the contituency, at that time Stirlingshire West. Within our local membership was a recently elected local councillor, Dennis Canavan, who went on to become our M.P. and M.S.P. through boundary changes and in my view, the best M.P. we have ever known in Scotland. I worked with Dennis through many elections but the most sweet was when Blair alienated him (and effectively most of our constituency Labour Party) from the Labour Party and forced him to stand as an Independent against the party he loved. He was returned with the biggest majority in Scotland and I never voted Labour again.
    But Dennis still called me Comrade Chairman.
    I honestly thought the term had been dropped many years ago but clearly not? I can understand you as a Socialist Right of Centre leaning supporter baulking at the term though just as I would now.
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    I wouldn't trust polls further than I could throw them. Now Bookies odds, that is a different kettle of fish. They are usually much more accurate than any polls.

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