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    I believe you can do much better than Poland. And I can't express enough my fury at national debate on whether or not to wave 12 quid of tv licence for pensioners. Really???
    Last edited by pol_angler; 06-12-2019 at 06:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occasional salmon fisher View Post
    Interesting FT article. He is a labour party supporter, hates the Tories but could not vote for Corbyn.

    Why I cannot vote for Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour party

    Its hugely expansionary programme is likely to trigger capital flight and currency collapse
    MARTIN WOLF


    With Mr Corbyn’s leadership, the hard left have taken over the Labour party

    Martin Wolf NOVEMBER 28 2019

    At the age of 16, I joined the young socialists, the youth branch of the Labour party. I was a supporter of the leader, Hugh Gaitskell, who opposed the party’s “Clause IV”commitment to nationalisation. I then encountered the hard left or, as we called them, “Trots”, after Leon Trotsky, an architect of the Soviet revolution, assassinated by Joseph Stalin. I disliked them then. I dislike them now. I doubt their commitment to freedom and democracy.

    With Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, the hard left took over the Labour party. It was a change of enormous, and probably enduring, importance. Labour remains the UK’s main opposition party. At some point, it is likely to gain power. I wish I could want it to do so. I do not.

    The Tories have provided dreadful government, from post-crisis fiscal austerity at the expense of the vulnerable, to the idiocy of Brexit. The economy’s performance has been dire, above all, on productivity. The country needs a plausible Labour opposition. But I am deeply suspicious of the people who run it. They are real socialists and, like most socialists, instinctive authoritarians. It is significant that Mr Corbyn*admired Venezuela’s Hugo Chávez.*

    Judgment of the people is more important than of their programme. But*as a letter to the Financial Times*from 163 economists argues, we should look at that, too. What do we see?*Revolutionary ambition: huge increases in public spending and radical restructuring of the economy, with a network of new investment banks, nationalisations, forced transfers of shares to workers, a bigger role for trade unions and far higher taxation of capital.*

    The spending plans would bring the ratio of public spending to gross domestic product from 40 per cent now to close to 46 per cent. That would put it above Germany and the Netherlands. But the speed with which this would happen makes it inconceivable that the money would be well spent.

    A big question is whether the planned increases in tax would even occur. The leftwing journalist Paul Mason*argues that the Labour government could force capitalists to pay. This is “socialism in one country” taken to its limits. The attempt is far more likely to fail, creating huge fiscal deficits instead.*

    Some of the money would, we know, be ill-spent. A salient example is the elimination of university tuition fees, which would, in the words of*Paul Johnson of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, be “an expensive giveaway to the highest earning graduates”. Other expensive promises are the decision to freeze the pension age at 66 and to help women affected by the increase in pension age.

    A bigger question still is over the ability to deliver huge planned increases in investment, not least in the green economy. Labour is promising a “net-zero-carbon energy system within the 2030s”. That is improbable. More important, it is irrelevant to saving the planet, since the UK*produces 1.2 per cent of global emissions of greenhouse gases. The question is rather how Britain might help deliver a global solution.

    Another concern has to be the return to nationalisation. I remember the nationalised industries of the 1970s. The thought of a British Rail or a national broadband monopoly fills me with foreboding. This is closely related to one of Labour’s blind spots. The manifesto’s sole mention of competition policy is: “we will give workers a voice on public bodies such as the Competition and Markets Authority”. That says a lot.


    UK general election: why character counts for Johnson and Corbyn

    One of the themes of the economists’ letter is the need to overcome “private sector reluctance” to invest. This is indeed*essential. But is it plausible that private capital, and especially foreign capital, on which the UK depends so much, will rush to invest in a country bent on raising their taxes, expropriating their wealth and putting workers on their boards, willy nilly? A rush for the door is far more plausible. The manifesto contains not a single favourable mention of the word “profit”. Will business not notice so hostile an attitude?

    In an economy with low unemployment and a current account deficit of around 3.5 per cent of GDP, this hugely expansionary and revolutionary programme is likely to trigger capital flight and a currency collapse. The Bank of England might even be prevented from raising interest rates. Inflation would then jump and exchange controls be imposed. The UK would then drop out of the club of advanced democracies.*

    Does this mean that I like the Tories? Absolutely not. Labour’s Brexit programme — renegotiation and another referendum — is far more attractive than Boris Johnson’s follies. But do I trust Mr Corbyn’s Labour with my country? No. We*desperately need a reforming government. This, alas, is not it
    Man think how many flies you could have tied instead of typing that little Lot!!

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    I'll save myself the typing and let The Observer do it for me. Certainly makes most interesting reading.


    The Observer view on who to vote for in the general election | General election 2019 | The Guardian
    It's all very well using WW2 analogies when referring to Brexit - 'spirit of the blitz' and all that. Imagine the curious atmosphere though if you were sitting in your air raid shelter looking around and realising that half of the people around you had voted to get bombed

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    What a shoddy piece of journalism full of inaccuracies and at the end not committing to anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenet View Post
    What a shoddy piece of journalism full of inaccuracies and at the end not committing to anything.

    The fact that you find it shoddy wouldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that it shows Bozo up for the pretty useless waste of 'oven ready' lying toe rag that he really is does it?

    Please note I am not actually insulting him. Just making a casual observation.
    It's all very well using WW2 analogies when referring to Brexit - 'spirit of the blitz' and all that. Imagine the curious atmosphere though if you were sitting in your air raid shelter looking around and realising that half of the people around you had voted to get bombed

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenet View Post
    What a shoddy piece of journalism full of inaccuracies and at the end not committing to anything.
    As your latest copy of the daily shame isn’t out for a good few more hours and you’re up for a spot of reading.
    Frankie Boyle’s election countdown: 'You’ll be praying they prorogue the next parliament' | Politics | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by KILDONAN View Post
    Man think how many flies you could have tied instead of typing that little Lot!!
    Copied and pasted !

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    As your latest copy of the daily shame isn’t out for a good few more hours and you’re up for a spot of reading.
    Frankie Boyle’s election countdown: 'You’ll be praying they prorogue the next parliament' | Politics | The Guardian
    That's a classic piece with some even-handedness (certainly as much as you can perhaps expect from a remain-supporter)

    Would have been better balanced if he had directed as much mirth at Labour-LibFasc as he did at Tory-Brexit but it's a start and I guess he tacitly admits the reason we're in this pickle is because of remoaners.

    Meanwhile, in other news Jezza is still trying desperately not to mention the B-word whilst out on the campaign trail, and Bozza may be taking the S(oviet)S(ocialist of)S(outh)Y(orkshire) for the same reason. Never thought I'd ever see that in my back yard in my lifetime. What have the Remoaners done FCOL



    By the end of the week it will be all over bar the moaning, and we can get on with rebuilding the country and fishing (aye, likely)
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    Was sorting through all the election bumph that comes through the letter box the other day
    By far and away , the Tory stuff is the worst.
    Absolutely nothing positive like “ we’ll do this or that to make things better for you all “ just “ Stop Sturgeon “ or “Stop Indy 2 “
    I’ve been voting for over 40 years , and have never seen such a negative campaign from a sitting government in all that time.
    Shocking , but at least it shows that they’re running scared.👍
    Last edited by ibm59; 09-12-2019 at 10:45 AM.
    Remember Thomas Muir of Huntershill

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    seeking, blaming 'remoaners' for everything is getting verrrrry dull. Remoaners didn't make Johnson lie, over and over again, about everything. They didn't introduce and then double down on austerity - did you see that statistic, that there are now more food banks in the UK than McDonalds? Those bloody golden arches are EVERYWHERE. It's a very visual stat.

    I also don't think Frankie Boyle is blaming remoaners for the current state of the nation, tacitly or otherwise...

    "Brexit supporters are surely among the most likely to get out and vote, especially now Jeremy Kyle isn’t on in the daytime any more. It was impossible to predict that the whole country would be thrown into crisis by middle-aged men outraged about Europe making decisions for them (these are people whose wives buy their socks), but I can understand their subsequent disillusionment. If 434 MPs vote for a general election, we instantly get one; if 0.14% of the populace vote for Boris Johnson, we instantly get him; but if 52% of the electorate vote for Brexit, they get three years of what feels like trying to **** out a pool table. Essentially, Brexit has proved impossible to deliver: turns out it’s tricky for English voters to take back control of their borders when one of them is in someone else’s country. Many people wish David Cameron had never called the referendum in the first place. It says a lot about how badly the last couple of years have gone, that there’s a guy who destroyed Libya, presided over needless austerity and ****ed a pig, and we wish that he’d just used his own judgment."

    He states he won't be voting for the Conservatives, and ends thus - which is very lovely:

    "Twenty miles up, it’s a freezing cold universe, we only have the human connections we make here, nothing is permanent, and love is our only defence. I suggest we all vote accordingly, and try to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is."

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