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    Quote Originally Posted by Safranfoer View Post
    He has avoided it. Laura Kuennsberg is conducting his interview. She actively swoons over him.

    Brilliant.
    Typical of the fat, lying bottler!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mows View Post
    Me too Saffy.
    None of the above.
    The legalised continuation of bee killing is live and kicking.
    Even the BBC is at it.
    Every where seems to be reporting things that are effecting bees, be it climate change, leap years etc.
    They may well infact have a contributory effect.
    But all of these articles seem to accidentally forget to publish the fact that a huge percentage of all land mass is sprayed with pesticides each year, deliberately to kill ALL insects including bees and that is the real issue.

    Cheers

    Mows
    I've only ever seen people talk about pesticides in relation to bees. I don't think there is ignorance on that front. America did use to ban a load of the worst pesticides - accepting that none are 'good' - but Trump has rolled back the clock on that one.

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    Serious question

    Do you see the Trump period (and all its apparent negatives with regard to trade/regulation/climate/environment/relationship with other countries) as an aberration to the US's general direction of travel?

    How do you compare that to the EUs general direction of travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzyian View Post
    Serious question

    Do you see the Trump period (and all its apparent negatives with regard to trade/regulation/climate/environment/relationship with other countries) as an aberration to the US's general direction of travel?

    How do you compare that to the EUs general direction of travel.
    It's not like I don't see that ideally, we should be setting our own direction of travel - so yes, I understand people wishing to leave to achieve this. But if all it achieves is having to hitch our wagon to someone else's, then I'm not sure what the benefit is, really.

    I don't know if Trump is an aberration. Populism is on the rise all over the world, there are plenty of turkeys in the UK apparently very happy to vote for the Christmas gift of Boris Johnson, who by any measure is a truly terrible politician and not a great person either. Assuming you like your leaders to be non-racist, non-homophobic and fully responsible for their children, that is. But many, many, MANY people don't seem to care. They see his vile views as a right and good expression of free speech - isn't he just saying what everyone else thinks?

    So I don't trust this government in combination with the US to negotiate anything I'd want to hitch my wagon to. If wagon hitching is inevitable - and it appears it is - then of China, the USA and the EU, I'd rather head in the EU's direction.

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    Yes it will as they will be a desperate country to get any deal if we leave the EU, the EU is big enough to tell the USA were not interested in extending the patents to finance your Pharmaceutical companies and if you want to trade here's the deal

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    The mentality of Trump! He tweeted this picture of himself. Canít help thinking heíd have been more truthful photoshopping his head onto Jabba the Hutt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safranfoer View Post
    He has avoided it. Laura Kuennsberg is conducting his interview. She actively swoons over him.

    Brilliant.

    Corbyn performed badly under his grilling from Andrew Neil. But given Andrew Neil's links with Dominic Cummings, his ownership of a right wing supper club and his links with Arron Banks, this doesn't feel like a particularly balanced fight.
    Or perhaps Corbyn and the Labour party had nothing to defend...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mows View Post
    Me too Saffy.
    None of the above.
    The legalised continuation of bee killing is live and kicking.
    Even the BBC is at it.
    Every where seems to be reporting things that are effecting bees, be it climate change, leap years etc.
    They may well infact have a contributory effect.
    But all of these articles seem to accidentally forget to publish the fact that a huge percentage of all land mass is sprayed with pesticides each year, deliberately to kill ALL insects including bees and that is the real issue.

    Cheers

    Mows
    Aye, spot on as was your earlier one. The type of folk that brought you Zyklon B are actively encouraged by EU regs to make it worse for all of us, whether that's huge monocultures that need humungous dosings of biocidal agents just so CAP works best (for the EU Fat-Cats etc.) and keeps the vegetarians and vegans happy.


    The biosphere less so.

    But the Night-of-the-Living-Brain-Dead can parrot "Climate Emergency" whilst the rivers burn, so no worries.








    Quote Originally Posted by Safranfoer View Post
    seeking, Iím not saying sheís an investigative journalist. Corbyn literally had to shove the unredacted document under her nose. (Which Iím not sure was a brilliant thing to do, but it was published online...)

    I donít see how transcripts of talks can be speculative. Itís speculation as to whether the ultimate trade deal threatens the NHS. THat comes down to your faith in the government doing the negotiating. But itís not speculation. It documents the conversations.
    To be clear I'm not actually accusing her of being a journalist!

    Sadly I just don't trust folk who state for a fact that our NHS has been offered to US corporations when the reality is it's been some first stage chats rebuffed. To me that's like a Porkie.

    Maybe you and I approach business deals differently.

    Yank: "I'd like the Earth"

    Limey:
    "Get lost, it's not for sale*"

    Liar: "You see, the Limey Government has agreed to sell the Earth to the Yanks!!!"

    Self-puffing "Journo": "Well that is interesting"


    The battle is just that. Once the UK has left the EU (lock stock and two smokers), the EU and the USA will both be battling hard over access to and domination over UK markets. Nature of consumerist capitalism, sadly. Good place to be for UK consumerist capitalists I would think.

    I see Labour appear to have now acknowledged that they have made a bit of a faux pas in telling the Brexit North to get stuffed and siding with the Remoaning Bliarites. Anyone seen Thornberry, Starmer or Mrs Balls-Up lately?

    Pretty sure Bliar just lost them even more votes lately.




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    Now that the LibFasc threat has been shown to be a red herring, Jezza has a week to get Seumas to rout the Bliarites and say Labour will go Hard Brexit to save his skin. History shows that he only seems to wake up and become compos mentis once his job's on the line. Rewrite the Manifesto and it may work, otherwise it's all his fault

    Whether it's hiding behind Baz "attack dog with false gnashers" G. when asked awkward questions about anti-Semitism, or telling whoppers about the NHS having been flogged off, whilst sitting on the fence and telling 17.4 million leave voters it's really raining as he urinates down their backs, he really seems to come across as a Stubborn Old Man.

    What a shame. He started so well. It could have been so very different. What price vanity - assuming that Brexit supporters were all thick right-wing racists (I call it the "T7 effect" after a combination of an exploding reel and a boat that scuppers itself).
    We could have had a socialist Brexit, now it appears we will get a fake tory one, unless Brexit Party do trounce Labour in my old haunts and hold them to a proper one...



    * maybe it is "If The Price Is Right"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    Or perhaps Corbyn and the Labour party had nothing to defend...?
    Like I say, he performed badly. I'm not so fussed about the anti-semitism sequence most people are bleating about, because he was being baited for a soundbite and is right not to reduce the issue to that level. Please note, selective quoters - this isn't me saying I'm not fussed about anti-semitism. Just that Andrew Neil was angling for something to crow over.

    His answers to the finance questions though.... Abysmal.

    Doesn't alter the fact that the BBC dropped a total clanger in not recording both interviews and then airing them, so Johnson didn't get wind of what could happen and run away. Assuming Andrew Neil would apply the same scrutiny.

    Kuennsberg really does have a soft spot for Boris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seeking View Post
    The type of folk that brought you Zyklon B
    seeking that's a really distasteful thing to say.

    And your characterisation of 6 rounds of talks - not one, 6 - is incorrect. More like:

    Yank: "I'd like the Earth"

    Limey: "..."

    Liar: "You see, the Limey Government has agreed to sell the Earth to the Yanks!!!"

    Self-puffing "Journo": "Well that is interesting - it's not quite what the report contains, but it's clear that the Yanks want the Earth and the Limeys have had 6 opportunities to say no, that's off the table, and haven't managed it yet. Obviously these are just talks, not the final deal - but it's interesting"
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