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    Quote Originally Posted by Loxie View Post
    I wouldn't disagree but, as is often the case, it's the lesser of 2 evils
    Thankfully , I have more than two choices.
    Remember Thomas Muir of Huntershill

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibm59 View Post
    Neither are the current government.
    Whether you like it or not , it’s that simple.
    They are an utter disgrace.


    Whatever could you mean? Bozo is doing a fine job



    Johnson accused of misleading public over Brexit deal after NI remarks | Politics | The Guardian
    It's all very well using WW2 analogies when referring to Brexit - 'spirit of the blitz' and all that. Imagine the curious atmosphere though if you were sitting in your air raid shelter looking around and realising that half of the people around you had voted to get bombed

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibm59 View Post
    Thankfully , I have more than two choices.
    Lucky you! I believe either Corbyn or Boris will be the next PM and I believe Corbyn will ruin my life and my children's future should he win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loxie View Post
    Lucky you! I believe either Corbyn or Boris will be the next PM and I believe Corbyn will ruin my life and my children's future should he win.
    Lucky indeed.
    But what really amazes me is that England is about to be cast adrift and left to fend for herself in this world of ours , and that very few of you seem to have wakened up to the fact.

    Your arrogance , and sense of entitlement , astound me.
    Last edited by ibm59; 08-11-2019 at 10:35 PM.
    Remember Thomas Muir of Huntershill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loxie View Post
    I'm sure if you are from Leeds you may have heard of him but to try and compare him to someone like Ian Austin is a bit silly.
    Nicky Morgan said Johnson was unfit to govern when she resigned. She’s a biggie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loxie View Post
    I'm sure if you are from Leeds you may have heard of him but to try and compare him to someone like Ian Austin is a bit silly.

    If you care to read my post again I didn't compare him to Ian Austin or anybody else for that matter. I said that Labour are not the only party with senior members suggesting that people cast their vote elsewhere. For what it's worth Ian Austin is no longer a Labour Party member. He became an independent in February this year. Dr Jsaon Aldiss was still a Conservative Party member this week.
    It's all very well using WW2 analogies when referring to Brexit - 'spirit of the blitz' and all that. Imagine the curious atmosphere though if you were sitting in your air raid shelter looking around and realising that half of the people around you had voted to get bombed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safranfoer View Post
    Nicky Morgan said Johnson was unfit to govern when she resigned. She’s a biggie.
    It wasn't so much that he said he wasn't fit to govern it was more the reasons that resonated with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loxie View Post
    It wasn't so much that he said he wasn't fit to govern it was more the reasons that resonated with me.
    And that’s fine. Just - they’re no more right or wrong than the reasons of all the resigning Tory candidates. The ones that have joined the Lib Dems. But we have the intense media focus on the Labour dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safranfoer View Post
    And that’s fine. Just - they’re no more right or wrong than the reasons of all the resigning Tory candidates. The ones that have joined the Lib Dems. But we have the intense media focus on the Labour dude.
    Personally I think anti semitism is now firmly endemic in the hard left I find that totally abhorrent. I don't see how it's in any way connected to remainers joining the LDs.

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    I find the "intense media focus on Labour" bit interesting. IMHO there's no wonder since they appear to have sold Leave constituencies down the river and it's really very hard to understand their policy on Brexit, but the recent narrative of them being victimised in the press (other than the usual rubbish suspects) has even been rebuffed by none other champion of unbiased reporting than the BBC

    General election 2019: 'Misleading' Abbott tweet used in Labour campaign - BBC News

    viz:

    "Diane Abbott is facing criticism for posting a "misleading" tweet, which has been shared widely across social media and even used in Labour-affiliated advertising.

    The shadow home secretary compared the media coverage of ex-Labour MP Ian Austin saying he would vote for the Conservatives with the coverage of former Tory MP Ken Clarke when he spoke of being conflicted about voting for his old party in the election.

    She tweeted: "Ian Austin, one year as a junior minister at DCLG, says he won't vote for Labour. Wall-to-wall coverage. Ken Clarke, nine years as secretary of state, including as chancellor, says he won't vote for the Conservatives. Silence. Balanced election coverage?"

    According to independent fact-checking organisation Full Fact, Ms Abbott's tweet is incorrect and misleading.

    "While it's true that the two sets of comments received different levels of media attention, Ms Abbott's phrasing doesn't portray them entirely accurately, overstating what Ken Clarke said and implying the two sets of comments to be more similar than they are," it said.

    "Mr Austin didn't just say he personally wouldn't vote Labour this election… he explicitly called on Labour voters to vote for the Conservatives. Meanwhile Ken Clarke did not say he 'won't vote for the Conservatives'...

    Despite criticism of it by Full Fact, an image of the tweet was shared by the official Labour Party Instagram account. The account has 90,000 followers, and the post has so far attracted more than 6,200 likes and almost 300 comments.

    It has also been shared on Facebook by Ms Abbott, as well as Labour supporting groups, receiving around 4,000 interactions.

    The tweet is also being used as a paid-for advert on Facebook and Instagram, funded by a Labour-affiliated group called Labour Future.

    The organisation says on its website it is a group at "the cutting edge of modern campaigning", and it is working with Labour to "add value" and help the party win the election."




    More media spin and marketing BS we need to be vigilant agin'...



    Quote Originally Posted by Safranfoer View Post
    I'll be voting for Labour as, while my seat isn't a marginal, Labour are the only chance we have of unseating the Tories. I like the candidate they are putting forward - she's a former teacher, fairly socialist.

    It's a Leave constituency and the current MP is a hard Brexiteer, but Boris Johnson is NOT liked locally. It will be interesting to see what happens.

    I'm not voting along Brexit lines. If I was, I'd have to go Lib Dem or maybe Green. And I'm not voting for the leader, as all the leaders are equally awful. I'm voting for policies. Assuming the Labour Party manifesto is akin to the 2017 jobbie, that's where my heart still lies.
    I could be wrong, but have a vague recollection of you actually praising a your local Tory candidate when he campaigned round your end last time round (right-on son of miner, "whoop", IIRC?)

    Mind, you are very lucky to have a Hard Brexiteer MP in a majority Leave constituency mind, whole swathes of the (English) North and Midlands are bereft of such representation.

    Mine is a Leave constituency with a long-term incumbent Labour MP with a record of voting to frustrate Brexit [not quite as bad as Walleye's (IIRC his Labour MP took to the press to tell his constituents how thick they were a la the clip of Spitting Image above, )] but the same story repeated over the land.

    With a bit of luck my tactical vote will help unseat the smug fool


    I'll put this up again as we'll no doubt be returning to the thread come Xmas, here's a likely outcome in Leeds:

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