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    Very very easy for me.

    • I voted Brexit.
    • I like Boris - he is a true leader, bluster and all.
    • I believe he will actually do what he says - thus far (apart from being stymied by Parliament) this rings true.
    • I like the Tories tax policies and believe that (a) they can deliver sound and good economics (the last 10 years proves this), and (b) will therefore have the cash to do what they say (see above).
    • Corbyn is the only real contender (christ knows how), and is a disgrace. From Hezbollah, to anti-sematism, to how he would attack the normal man under his premiership.
    • Swinson and the Lib Dems are undemocratic (not only .

    So I'm voting Green (joke, I'm voting for the Tories).

    Oscar.

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    One of the easiest decisions ever for me. Anyone but Corbyn. Even Brexit is better than Corbyn so in this case that means for the first time for a while I'll be voting for a Conservative candidate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    Very very easy for me.

    • Swinson and the Lib Dems are undemocratic

    Oscar.
    From a distance I wonder how putting your main policy up in lights and asking people to vote for it is undemocratic?
    Their chances of forming a majority government are virtually nil but if you get another hung parliament they will have their mandate and can take a view on who to support.
    The vagaries of your first past the post system always makes for great viewing on election night this time there are so many subplots it will be a long night

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    For me the Lib "Dems" approach to Brexit is wholly undemocratic. On the whole they voted to have a referendum on the lines we did in 2016. On the whole they voted to respect the result of the Referendum. On the whole they voted to trigger Article 50 to leave. Then they did a volte farce (even more extreme than the one they did with the Tories over the tuition fees!) and decided "Boll ocks to Brexit" and "we will revoke A50 unilaterally" without the UK having actually implemented Brexit at all nor with narry an interest in asking the people. To me that's similar to Fascism.

    The son of a Woodcraft commie steelworker, brought up and schooled in two different pit villages in the Soviet Socialist of South Yorkshire during hard times, it is anathema for me to vote for Tories. I don't like racists, I don't like rampant consumerism or the unsustainability capitalism promotes, I like green issues (though not the main one the AGW bandwagon promotes to the detriment of the main issue), I like devolved power in the hands of local folk. I hate killer robots and the control that China- and US- based multinational tax-avoiding surveillance state companies have...

    My dilemma could be as hard as wormo's.

    But this is only about Brexit first and foremost.

    Labour's stance on Brexit is laughable however and though I do agree with Nationalising all infrastructure (esp. rail, water, leccy, gas etc.) and so on, IMO this election is about getting out of the EU and giving us the freedom to actually achieve something like Nationalisation (which UK could not do if within EU) in the future should we chose.

    Whilst referenda are important to me, GEs are less so (due to "whoever you vote for, Government wins").

    I have only ever voted in GE's tactically, always to remove some bunch of fools from the high life, and even though it's helped that work, it's also lead to some issues (spectacularly, Bliar torching the Middle East etc.).

    So, I will vote tactically in the forthcoming Election for a party that supports a clean-break (sensationalists could term it "Hard") Brexit. It's really that simple.

    I've seen enough of the world to know life will go on as usual and everyone and every business will cope.

    Having voted on that principle, I can vote tactically again in another few years if I wish to remove the ordure created should they go off the rails, but this current lot running Parliament and making a mockery of Direct Democracy is broken and needs fixed...

    Jezza tells us that on the day of the GE "it will be good weather, ha ha ha" to the assorted cawing guffaws of a backstabbing bunch of fools stood behind him (who have spent years ignoring the stated desire of their constituents, and told them they know better) who are imploding. Wait another 6 months and maybe we will leave, perhaps never.

    If he'd not already done so by his machinations it's now clear that Bliar lost the North for Labour when he destroyed collective bargaining in 2003/4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaneybs View Post
    From a distance I wonder how putting your main policy up in lights and asking people to vote for it is undemocratic?
    Their chances of forming a majority government are virtually nil but if you get another hung parliament they will have their mandate and can take a view on who to support.
    The vagaries of your first past the post system always makes for great viewing on election night this time there are so many subplots it will be a long night
    Revoking Article 50 I consider see as undemocratic.

    We voted, we got a result, it should stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    Very very easy for me.

    • I voted Brexit.
    • I like Boris - he is a true leader, bluster and all.
    • I believe he will actually do what he says - thus far (apart from being stymied by Parliament) this rings true.
    • I like the Tories tax policies and believe that (a) they can deliver sound and good economics (the last 10 years proves this), and (b) will therefore have the cash to do what they say (see above).
    • Corbyn is the only real contender (christ knows how), and is a disgrace. From Hezbollah, to anti-sematism, to how he would attack the normal man under his premiership.
    • Swinson and the Lib Dems are undemocratic (not only .

    So I'm voting Green (joke, I'm voting for the Tories).

    Oscar.


    Not quite so easy for me.


    I voted remain and do not believe for one second that a hard Brexit is in the interests of anybody save a very small and very specific few people.

    I don't like Bozo. I do not for one second see him as a true leader. The bluster part is certainly true.

    I do not believe he will do what he says. I believe he will do what is convenient for him at the time. For evidence of this listen to interviews with Justine Greening on how Bozo has let her and everyone else who campaigned against the airport extension very badly down.

    The Saj as he insists people who work for him call him has announced spending plans with the sole intention of pulling the wool over the eyes of the politically naive. The 'good economics' of the last ten years wreaked severe economic hardship on those least able to bear the strain. Going balls out right now and spending money that we should be holding on to to weather the very strong potential of economic hardship that will in every likelihood follow the Brexit silly is economically incomprehensible.

    I have no allegiance to Corbyn.

    In spite of all of the utter cr@p being touted regarding the Lib Dems they are actually democratic. They have offered a manifesto before an election which clearly states what their Brexit intentions are. Any and all have the option to vote for them or vote elsewhere. There is absolutely nothing undemocratic in this. I would not vote for them but not on the grounds of their Brexit stance.


    Personally I may have to vote Green as I have few other options
    Last edited by Perrypokemon; 08-11-2019 at 03:14 PM.
    It's all very well using WW2 analogies when referring to Brexit - 'spirit of the blitz' and all that. Imagine the curious atmosphere though if you were sitting in your air raid shelter looking around and realising that half of the people around you had voted to get bombed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perrypokemon View Post
    Not quite so easy for me.


    I voted remain and do not believe for one second that a hard Brexit is in the interests of anybody save a very small and very specific few people.

    I don't like Bozo. I do not for one second see him as a true leader. The bluster part is certainly true.

    I do not believe he will do what he says. I believe he will do what is convenient for him at the time. For evidence of this listen to interviews with Justine Greening on how Bozo has let her and everyone else who campaigned against the airport extension.

    The Saj as he insists people who work for him call him has announced spending plans with the sole intention of pulling the wool over the eyes of the politically naive. The 'good economics' of the last ten years wreaked severe economic hardship on those least able to bear the strain. Going balls out right now and spending money that we should be holding on to to weather the very strong potential of economic hardship that will in every likelihood follow the Brexit silly is economically incomprehensible.

    I have no allegiance to Corbyn.

    In spite of all of the utter cr@p being touted regarding the Lib Dems they are actually democratic. They have offered a manifesto before an election which clearly states what their Brexit intentions are. Any and all have the option to vote for them or vote elsewhere. There is absolutely nothing undemocratic in this. I would not vote for them but not on the grounds of their Brexit stance.


    Personally I may have to vote Green as I have few other options
    I do understand your pain, and sympathise with your position. I guess I'm lucky (and probably a little politically naive) that I am able to stand behind one of the main parties/candidates.

    To be fair to Boris, he has also set out his stall pre-election, and we know if elected with a majority he will get his deal through pretty sharpish.

    So WHO exactly dioes have an allegiance to Corbyn? Is it everyone under the age of 25 or something? Not a single person I have spoken to will vote for him, but clearly somebody somewhere is planning to!

    Oscar.

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    Candidate Party Votes Vote (%) Change (%)
    Stewart Hosie SNP 18,391 42.8 -16.9
    Eleanor Price Con 11,746 27.4 +12.4
    Lesley Brennan Lab 11,176 26.0 +6.1
    Christopher McIntyre * LD

    That was the choice I had last time. The LibDem lost his deposit. I have no idea what choice I will get this time round although Panty Hosie may have lost more than his knickers as a result of his pecadillos.
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    Reading this makes me feel very lucky! My local MP supported my angling club in setting up a disabled angling platform, also when I asked him for support with regards to a new medication available for my children's condition again I had his full support. Therefore he has my vote. Have any of you considered voting for a person who would be a good local MP, rather than a party?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    I do understand your pain, and sympathise with your position. I guess I'm lucky (and probably a little politically naive) that I am able to stand behind one of the main parties/candidates.

    To be fair to Boris, he has also set out his stall pre-election, and we know if elected with a majority he will get his deal through pretty sharpish.

    So WHO exactly dioes have an allegiance to Corbyn? Is it everyone under the age of 25 or something? Not a single person I have spoken to will vote for him, but clearly somebody somewhere is planning to!

    Oscar.

    He has very strong support in a great many areas. I would not be at all quick to do him down. The Maybot took him very much for granted and he bit her very squarely on the ar5e. I would say that faced with the choice of Bozo's rather shoddy deal and other options if offered by Labour then I would vote Labour. Risk analysis of all scenarios puts my own business are far less risk from Corbyn than it does from a hard as nails Brexit. Bozo's shoddy deal puts us very much at risk of no deal at the end of next year. The cold fact of the matter is I just cannot trust Bozo. I suspect if you are brutally honest with yourself neither can you either. He is a chain liar. This statement is not an invitation to be told how all politicians lie. Some certainly do. Most however do not and even if they do certainly not to the extent that Bozo does. I wouldn't mind if he was even slightly competent at it but he is even amateurish at fibbing.
    It's all very well using WW2 analogies when referring to Brexit - 'spirit of the blitz' and all that. Imagine the curious atmosphere though if you were sitting in your air raid shelter looking around and realising that half of the people around you had voted to get bombed

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