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    Quote Originally Posted by Safranfoer View Post
    All the above is true but only works with a government that doesnít hold parliament in contempt. Johnson said that heíd ignore a vote of no confidence. Parliament voted for the plans for no deal Brexit to he published including comms relating to them, and he ignored that too. Heís trying his hardest to get out of the no deal handties. Heís not got much form for following the conventions of our unwritten constitution.

    So I donít see where else there was to go other than to the courts. Who say itís not for them to hold the government to account if they break the law.

    Iím starting to understand Guy Fawkes a bit better.
    Johnson says a lot of stuff but it's what he does that counts! The courts are there to uphold the laws made by parliament, not to hold the government to account. That is unequivocally parliaments job, which they have singularly failed to do due to the most ineffectual opposition ever.

    We have an executive, a legislature and a judiciary. It all works best when each do there jobs. Now the legislature is trying to do the executive's job and trying to get the judiciary to support their coup against the executive.
    Last edited by Loxie; 12-09-2019 at 07:43 PM.

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    So who is there to prevent a government from acting unconstitutionally?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safranfoer View Post
    So who is there to prevent a government from acting unconstitutionally?
    The answer to that is Parliament , and the law of the land.

    But hold on a minute .....................
    Last edited by ibm59; 12-09-2019 at 08:36 PM.
    Remember Thomas Muir of Huntershill

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibm59 View Post
    The answer to that is Parliament , and the law of the land.

    But it hold on a minute .....................


    It's all very well using WW2 analogies when referring to Brexit - 'spirit of the blitz' and all that. Imagine the curious atmosphere though if you were sitting in your air raid shelter looking around and realising that half of the people around you had voted to get bombed

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    Quote Originally Posted by pol_angler View Post
    More here below.



    In fact I don't really know why people here are so keen to make a deal with the US and, dear me, accept their standards. Well over 45% of Americans age 19-64 have insufficient heath insurance leading to high debts resulting in 70% of personal bankruptcies. A country of freelancers with no company holidays where wages relatively haven't grown since the seventies, homelessness is rampant, not a good country for mothers (families) that is if your child survives the birth as US has the highest mortality of newborn babies of any developed democracies. I can go on and on. Anyway, in opinion of many, the US is the richest of the third world countries.

    But The Grand Canyon gotta be good

    I own a diabetic support Forum. It has some members from America who subscribe. Some of the things they post about just how ruthless things are in the States regarding the supply of insulin breaks my heart at times. People who cannot afford to buy insulin quite frankly just do not get it. The prices they are charged are an absolute rip off. A number of them now drive over the border to Canada where the prices are a lot more reasonable. I have heard mutterings about letting the Americans into our NHS and the supply of insulin is a very lucrative market. Granted there are only approximately 450,000 type 1 diabetics in the UK who require injected insulin. More and more type 2's however who through no fault of their own are unable to control their own condition using Metformin and diet require an insulin regime. Best estimates are that there are about 5 million type 2's and as detection rates improve the numbers continue to rise.
    Last edited by Perrypokemon; 12-09-2019 at 08:59 PM.
    It's all very well using WW2 analogies when referring to Brexit - 'spirit of the blitz' and all that. Imagine the curious atmosphere though if you were sitting in your air raid shelter looking around and realising that half of the people around you had voted to get bombed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safranfoer View Post
    So who is there to prevent a government from acting unconstitutionally?
    Parliament. They hire and fire the government. We hire and fire them. If Parliament had wanted to they could have sacked the government and stopped everything in its tracks. Of course they then have to face us, justify their actions and ask us to renew their contracts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loxie View Post
    Parliament. They hire and fire the government. We hire and fire them. If Parliament had wanted to they could have sacked the government and stopped everything in its tracks. Of course they then have to face us, justify their actions and ask us to renew their contracts.
    What happens if the government breaks the constitution, whips its MPs and doesn't suffer a rebellion? Who stops them acting unconstitutionally then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safranfoer View Post
    What happens if the government breaks the constitution, whips its MPs and doesn't suffer a rebellion? Who stops them acting unconstitutionally then?
    There is no constitution:-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye View Post
    There is no constitution:-)
    So because it is unwritten, what we are saying is that a government can in theory be above any law, given sufficient bullishness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safranfoer View Post
    What happens if the government breaks the constitution, whips its MPs and doesn't suffer a rebellion? Who stops them acting unconstitutionally then?
    The constitution is basically a series of conventions. I'm not sure what you mean by unconstitutional actions. Give us an example.

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