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    Quote Originally Posted by Tartan Crocodile View Post
    As much as these rods and wee lines will be ok for small to medium sized rivers in normal conditions I am not sure that the tone of the original advertisement did them any favours .

    Claiming " At last - some common sense in Fly Fishing "

    For a new brand that has far too many superior competitors I think its a bold rash statement to make and kinda makes me wonder where in their opinion all the great work has gone from the old days of split cane rods ?

    I am sure though that they their rods will be better than some rods out there in the market but I dont think they should be aiming to compete fully with Hardy , Guideline , Loop or McKenzie.

    I know people need to peddle their own brand but if we look at another relatively new brand to the market in the past few years - Gaelforce ...... They didnt come on here with sickly gimmicky adverts disguised as reviews claiming to be the new best thing with the most common sense .

    Gaelforce rods and lines do the talking at Spey-o-Rama by winning world champion speycasting tournaments .
    Bruce and Walker also win at these events and where do you really see them advertising much nowadays ?
    - They dont claim to have made such dramatic new changes that would suggest to folk that everything else has been rubbish out there .

    They are almost a niche rod builder now with a underground cult following from folk who just know what is good or not - and into this cult following by folk in the know you can also place the Burkheimers and Meisers .
    With Gaelforce -The knowlege among salmon fishers that James Chalmers is the man behind it all is safe enough bet to make proper salmon fishers part with their cash so readily . Same as when Scott McKenzie put his own brand out there - Hardy also did a great move by getting Ian Gordon onside - Proper salmon fishers know their own and they know who they can trust . Even the bruce and Walkers have stood the test of time for a reason .

    I'm not saying that yer man Henrick Mortensen cant cast or fish but he cant really be put in the same league as the likes of Scotlands very own - Chalmers , McKenzie or Gordon or even wee Bill Drury. So for Salmologic trying to break into an established UK market again where folk already have their own champions is always going to be hard .

    There is boys up and down that Tay week in and week out casting with maximum proficiency .
    Our own ghillies on the Tay and Spey and other larger rivers can all cast great and consistent.
    I think its these guys who already had the common sense in great abundance with their rod and line set ups. A look at their rods and lines set up will determine what is the good gear and not the gimmick .

    There are very few complete stinkers of fly rods in the past 10 years . Even Shakespeare rods can cast a decent line . So maybe these salmologic rods will be good for average conditions on small to medium rivers in the UK and thats fine but I dont think there will be a long line of people wanting to buy them for trips to the Tay or Russia .

    I think if the advert had said something along the lines of SalmoLogic : At last a fresh angle in salmon fishing ". Then it might not have stuck in so many peoples throats reading through that there .

    I think they could also be a hit with the lady fishers out there with their light line approach and colour of rods - They are quite pretty colours .

    I'm quite sure the stuff will be actually ok to fish with but I'm afraid the common sense has already been applied 10 times over in the last 10 years by folk who really know .

    How many times have you tried the Salmologic rods?

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    Once .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tartan Crocodile View Post
    Once .
    My grandfather tried a shower once when in the army during the war, and decided they weren’t for him. To be fair, he was 6’4” and the head of the shower was at chest height, but that was it and baths for the rest of his days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beardog View Post
    My grandfather tried a shower once, and decided they weren’t for him. To be fair, he was 6’4” and the head of the shower was at chest height, but that was it and baths for the rest of his days.
    Once for just under hour was enough with they rods to be honest . Did nothing for me .
    Just another shooting head flicker . Seen them all before from the same stable.
    No soul or versatility for me .

    Thats only my opinion from a brief trial on the Tay in quite a low water day where I felt it would be under gunned if I had hooked anything substantial like a fighting fit teenager in a heavier water .

    Thats why I said it would probably be ok for folk who like to flick small heads into small to medium sized rivers.

    No doubt there is a section of the market out there for this gear but to claim it as some kind of saviour for salmon fishers as the common sense we've all been waiting for, is a bit condescending to proper fishers and probably even a bit misleading to new comers who may be tempted into buying something that may not tick all the boxes they would hope it would based on such an advertisement .

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    Ha Ha Proper fishers?

    Lets look at the evidence, Loop, Hardy, MacKenzie, Gaelforce all now going for short shooting heads and Skagit lines and shorter rods. Obviously you are new to salmon fishing and have a lot to learn but don't worry once you become a proficient castor you will learn that its not the soft rod or the 75'spey line that makes you cast better but the skill, If you PM me I will put you on to some guys who will sort you out with your casting.
    I imagine that you still wear a Barbour and thigh waders and drive a Capri Ghia but don't worry there are better modern alternatives.
    it will become easier once you get out your adolescent teenage years

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    Im lucky enough to be able to call into Michael , AM Angling and the UK Distributor of Salmologic products . today I was looking for lines to match a Zenith 12.6 7# I walked out with 5 lines to try, ranging from 24 to 28 gms in different densities I reckon 28 gm is what ill settle for , the rod also threw 26gm , there wasn't much in it . but importantly I was only testing these lines , ( which are very good), No money exchanged or purchases made, and the opportunity to go away and play with them until I decide if any suits my needs .
    Now I don't know anywhere else you can do this , certainly within Northern Ireland;
    How many times over the years have we seen threads started of guys looking for a line on this forum, and the only thing to go by is on other persons recommendations alone,
    It's possible that most anglers fish slightly heavy when picking a line ,
    AM Angling offers you the change to try lines of various gram weights either side of the manufacturers recommendations to decide what your happy with,
    I can't fault this service.

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    My dad's car is better than yours. Much more beautiful and faster.

    With the greatest respect, this is not a review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankwheel View Post
    Ha Ha Proper fishers?

    Lets look at the evidence, Loop, Hardy, MacKenzie, Gaelforce all now going for short shooting heads and Skagit lines and shorter rods. Obviously you are new to salmon fishing and have a lot to learn but don't worry once you become a proficient castor you will learn that its not the soft rod or the 75'spey line that makes you cast better but the skill, If you PM me I will put you on to some guys who will sort you out with your casting.
    I imagine that you still wear a Barbour and thigh waders and drive a Capri Ghia but don't worry there are better modern alternatives.
    it will become easier once you get out your adolescent teenage years
    Granted that market dictates certain trends and there is a shift towards short rods and short lines to cater for this market but there is alot of older salmon fishers out there nowadays who dont have the physical capabilities or technique to cast proficiently all day with longer rods and lines ? Maybe you are one of these older aging gents with sore bones and joints ?

    I wouldnt say however that all the evidence points towards the manufactures in your words " all going for short shooting heads, skagits and shorter rods " .

    Lets look at Gaelforce - Granted they do cater for the shorter line fishers with rods of 12ft and 13 ft and their shooting heads are fine to use -( I have them myself and with shorter rods I use them in certain circumstances along with skagits ).

    However given that the man behind them is so experienced in all manner of salmon fishing and not just a shooting head guru - their large range also includes various full length spey lines and even multi award winning EED80 Distance heads and rods up to 18ft . Now even a new 7 piece - 4 combination 15ft 1 / 16ft Weapon rod ready to be introduced .

    Based on that clear evidence it would have me believing that these guys are not just one trick ponies that specialise in small- medium rivers fishing .

    I would say that is a more "common sense" approach in fishing - rods and lines to cover every eventuality .

    With regards to the barbour jacket - Its a Durham and still going strong after 20 years .

    Capri ? Brings back memories -I was an XR2 and RS Turbo man myself but I wish I had the price of a mint Capri or other fast ford now as it would maybe buy me an extra week or two in Russia .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tartan Crocodile View Post
    Granted that market dictates certain trends and there is a shift towards short rods and short lines to cater for this market but there is alot of older salmon fishers out there nowadays who dont have the physical capabilities or technique to cast proficiently all day with longer rods and lines ? Maybe you are one of these older aging gents with sore bones and joints ?

    I wouldnt say however that all the evidence points towards the manufactures in your words " all going for short shooting heads, skagits and shorter rods " .

    Lets look at Gaelforce - Granted they do cater for the shorter line fishers with rods of 12ft and 13 ft and their shooting heads are fine to use -( I have them myself and with shorter rods I use them in certain circumstances along with skagits ).

    However given that the man behind them is so experienced in all manner of salmon fishing and not just a shooting head guru - their large range also includes various full length spey lines and even multi award winning EED80 Distance heads and rods up to 18ft . Now even a new 7 piece - 4 combination 15ft 1 / 16ft Weapon rod ready to be introduced .

    Based on that clear evidence it would have me believing that these guys are not just one trick ponies that specialise in small- medium rivers fishing .

    I would say that is a more "common sense" approach in fishing - rods and lines to cover every eventuality .

    With regards to the barbour jacket - Its a Durham and still going strong after 20 years .

    Capri ? Brings back memories -I was an XR2 and RS Turbo man myself but I wish I had the price of a mint Capri or other fast ford now as it would maybe buy me an extra week or two in Russia .
    You spoke a lot of sense Tartan Croc until you mentioned cars. None of this front wheel drive turbo garbage, you canny beat the MK2 RS2000 with rear wheel drive and twin carbs.
    Cheers Diarmid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rs2ford View Post
    You spoke a lot of sense Tartan Croc until you mentioned cars. None of this front wheel drive turbo garbage, you canny beat the MK2 RS2000 with rear wheel drive and twin carbs.
    Cheers Diarmid.
    I liked them alright but they were a wee bit like old mans cars even by then .
    It was all XR2's , RS Turbo's , Astra GTE's , 205GTi's and Golf MK2 GTi's and Sapphire Cossies .

    The fast fords have surely shot up into crazy money now just like the RS2000's did before them .
    Wish I had kept my XR2 instead of selling it for £750 and a gold chain .

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