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    Quote Originally Posted by pfeul View Post
    You've surely guessed that my (very personal ) opinion is I find that the definition of switch suits the GL, Loop et al. rods in a more consistent manner with what these rods are intended to...
    Quite. Many of the so-called switch rods are really "baby Speys"- as the Sage guys will concede if you have the chance of discussing them.

    The rods rated for single handed lines should give you a stealthier presentation than the baby Speys rated for double handed lines of the same apparent weighting.

    The whole thing is confusing and I'm aware of a fisher who went to Iceland with a switch rod rated for salmon lines coupled with- I won't say balanced by!-a trout line as recommended by a well known tackle dealer. An expensive mistake.

    I made a less expensive mistake when I bought an inexpensive 11' 6" #6/7 rod from the States and couldn't understand why it wouldn't cast my WF7F trout line. Research on Speypages revealed that it needed a 7/8 double handed line, which it dealt with beautifully.

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    I own a Loop 10'7'' switch Cross S1, and whilst it likes a Rio Switch Chucker in #8 ( I think it would like the #7 better, but can't afford the luxury just now) I used it in Iceland with a single handed Rio Gold in #7 and it cast beautifully single handed.....

    I like the sound of this blank, where can you get them and what's the saving on a factory built rod?

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    Andy - sounds as if the Barrio SLX is made for the Loop Cross s1 and at £36 considerably cheaper than a Rio.

    The switch chucker looks to me to be rated as double hander viz the # 7 comes in at 465 grains or just over 30 grams
    Last edited by tenet; 22-11-2016 at 05:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenet View Post
    Andy - sounds as if the Barrio SLX is made for the Loop Cross s1 and at £36 considerably cheaper than a Rio.

    The switch chucker looks to me to be rated as double hander viz the # 7 comes in at 465 grains or just over 30 grams
    The switch chucker in the #8 goes like a rocket with the loop, it can only really be cast double handed, but it feels more like a mini-skagit in #8 weight, so I think a #7 would be better. They're designed for 15ft tips, will the Barrio line do that? I've looked at the taper and it seems to be more like a straightforward switch line?

    I've got the 7/8 Rio switch, and that works nicely, as does the #8 single handed Spey line, the Bario looks good, but I may have too many overlaps.... maybe?

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    I'm no expert Andy but would suggest you speak to Mike Barrio who you will find is very accommodating. It is obvious that the Cross s1 is throwing up all sorts of queries but at the end of the day if your happy with the performance then that is all that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankspeycaster View Post

    The whole thing is confusing and I'm aware of a fisher who went to Iceland with a switch rod rated for salmon lines coupled with- I won't say balanced by!-a trout line as recommended by a well known tackle dealer. An expensive mistake.

    I made a less expensive mistake when I bought an inexpensive 11' 6" #6/7 rod from the States and couldn't understand why it wouldn't cast my WF7F trout line. Research on Speypages revealed that it needed a 7/8 double handed line, which it dealt with beautifully.
    I agree that this is very confusing.
    My point was not to make any assumption that rods based on a single hand rating are better than the others.
    I will try to argue it in another way as far my poor English allows me (I prefer apologising right now if all the stuff below is non sense ).
    Nowaddays, considering only the (mainly US) marketing mash , when choosing for a double handed rod, you’ll have to make your way through switch rods, baby speys, double handed (and now even trout speys which are coming to the market), and surely other kinds of namings. But all of them are IMHO only double handed rods made to be cast double handed (either spey or overhead cast), perhaps but the trout speys (never cast any so can’t comment)…
    Let’s add some confusion. According to its name a Sage method 11’9 9wt is a switch rod which is rated to cast a scandi head about 510 grains (from the rio line chart). The loop GASS 11’6 9wt was to my knowledge advertised as a (small) double hander and is rated to cast about 520 grains. So must the GASS be considered as a switch rod??
    Another example... I’ve been the happy owner of a sage tcx 6119 that I sold and replaced for travelling convenience by a cross s1 12’2 6wt. Both rods cast an afs 340 grains very nicely and are great for low water fishing. The first one is labeled as a switch, the second one as a double hander.
    Would I have now to prevent myself from casting the 12’2 overhead because it is 5 inch too long?… absolutely not. Would I have single hand cast the tcx because it was labeled as a switch. I did but quickly went to the conclusion it was no option if I would not want to get an injured arm at the end of the day!

    In other words, my point is just that rather than naming things by their names (in the present case, a double hander), manufacturers have intentionnaly added confusion. The result is headache and aspirin for us customers.
    I find it more to truthful to advertise and sell a customer a rod rated on a single hand rating, such that when the guy gets to the river, he can cast double handed spey and single handed overhead with the same line and optionally spey cast with a heavier line (with all the possible induced limitations) rather than advertising and selling a rod labeled as “switch” but based on a double handed rating that only a bodybuilder might cast single handed only on its best days.

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    Hi all, first post after lurking for a couple of years. Bumping this thread since I consider getting one from the Loop Outlet, got the S1 690 and love it. Anyone got this who can give a brief review?

    Cheers

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    The S1 9’8 #7 5 piece, and 9’6 #7 4 piece are both very similar in terms of action and feel. Loop label them as medium fast but the action is a lot faster than that. The rods are actually quite stiff if truth be told and benefit from a half size up line like a Scientific Anglers MPX or old GPX(if you can find one). The blank is powerful with lots in reserve in the butt section, which can carry a lot of line if you want it to. The finish is typical Loop. I personally really like the understated grey blank and the recoil guides, theyre not to everyones taste though. Cork quality is decent. All in all its a nice rod but if your after something ‘medium’ action then look
    for something else.
    Last edited by MikeCC; 21-02-2020 at 12:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeCC View Post
    The S1 9’8 #7 5 piece, and 9’6 #7 4 piece are both very similar in terms of action and feel. Loop label them as medium fast but the action is a lot faster than that. The rods are actually quite stiff if truth be told and benefit from a half size up line like a Scientific Anglers MPX or old GPX(if you can find one). The blank is powerful with lots in reserve in the butt section, which can carry a lot of line if you want it to. The finish is typical Loop. I personally really like the understated grey blank and the recoil guides, theyre not to everyones taste though. Cork quality is decent. All in all its a nice rod but if your after something ‘medium’ action then look
    for something else.
    I taught those 2 rods were basically the same... What’s the main differences between the 2?

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    None. One’s 2 inches longer than the other and comes in 5 pieces instead of 4. Average Joe wont notice anything else.

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