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    Quote Originally Posted by lowforcefly View Post
    I can't understand how you can agree to the first sentence....and then go off on some rant about ripping mouths ?
    Because im willing to accept its a blood sport and don't have to pretend that a small token gesture a the end of the fight makes any material difference.
    Unnecessarily prolonging the fishes time out of water is fundamental bad practise, and has been taught against for years!
    Returning it as quickly as possible is imperative to prevent any unnecessary further detriment to the fish, as explained !
    "Further detriment" As I said above
    Try 'Googling Unnecessary!'
    I did, it brought up catching fish just for the fun of it and then getting all sensitive in the last 30 seconds when we release it
    If you can't grasp that god help you !
    Unless we should all stop fishing, we are potentially going to cause some damage to the fish, that does not stop us minimising any unnecessary further detriment !
    If your case is that as we catch a fish using a hook and line, which damages the fishes mouth, we are free to any further abuse you see fit...only in your mind, I disagree in entirety !
    Not further abuse, but taking a picture isn't going to make much difference.
    Take that to its natural conclusion....and stop all fishing ?
    Or is that your real aim ?
    Not my aim, but if you feel its such a crime to hold it out of the water, then I struggle to see why you fish. Especially for fresh fish which are far more prone to dying after being caught.
    With regards to the ghillie's actions....if you are going to quote me, don't quote me selectively, I explained what I thought he should have done...so move on !
    I am not going to get into a prolonged too and fro with you...I am aware of your 'Permanent opposition perspective,' having witnessed some of your previous interactions on the forum.
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    You have your opinion, and I have mine... and I doubt they will ever meet?
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    It ends at that !

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    Mel,

    My argument isn't with you.
    It just frustration on all the handling warriors on the internet
    Championing something that is almost irrelevant to the long-term survival of any river system.
    There's far more important things they could put there energy in to.

    Cheers

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    This discussion reminds me of a video I watched recently.
    It showed a Pacific salmon swimming around the spawning redds - with a huge chunk of flesh missing from it's back from an obvious C&R bear bite. It was both shocking (how can something survive that) and amazing (wow, it's amazing what a salmon can go through to spawn) at the same time.
    I wish I could find the video to share.
    Anyway, I always struggle to believe that such an amazing fish has a physiology so sensitive that it can keel over and die or it's eggs can become infertile with a short period out of the water. I guess it's like asking Mo Farrah to hold his breath for 30seconds after winning the 5000m gold medal but still, it's a wild animal naturally selected to do amazing things.
    Who knows who's right.

    Is 8 fish on the Tay so far a good or bad start?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walleye View Post

    Is 8 fish on the Tay so far a good or bad start?
    I .M. O. dreadful.
    Particularly compared to an opening day figure someone put on here recently of 80 springers? for one day only.
    Sign of the times.
    It's even getting quite rare to bend your rod into a kelt these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mows View Post
    Mel,

    My argument isn't with you.
    It just frustration on all the handling warriors on the internet
    Championing something that is almost irrelevant to the long-term survival of any river system.
    There's far more important things they could put there energy in to.

    Cheers

    Mows
    Its interesting that many organisions that published and encouraged "best practice" procedures continue to have no qualms in publishing photos of fish that clearly well breach their guidelines. Commercialism at its worst. Fishpal for example don't give a toss, nothing will get in the way of a marketing tool.
    Merde, I even got suckered into buying one of those Fancy Dan rubber nets last season.
    I'd have been better off buying rubber hooks.
    Maybe thats the next guideline?
    I'm away for a bash at the bows, need to remember and flatten my barbs.
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    It must have been better conditions this week too

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    Quote Originally Posted by keirstream View Post
    I .M. O. dreadful.
    Particularly compared to an opening day figure someone put on here recently of 80 springers? for one day only.
    Sign of the times.
    It's even getting quite rare to bend your rod into a kelt these days.
    Way beyond the means of a 14 year old, but I loved reading about it. This, in the relatively near past (for me at least)... Catches are no secret now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grassy_Knollington View Post
    Way beyond the means of a 14 year old, but I loved reading about it. This, in the relatively near past (for me at least)... Catches are no secret now.

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    I would love to read about it too.
    Your attachment isn't working.

    P.s. tried to delete this post as the photo magically appeared when it published.
    Ignore it.

    Cracking fish, but I can't see them spawning.
    He's holding them the wrong way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loxie View Post
    So why was he holding it out of the water while doing his piece to camera?
    Perhaps the angler wanted it returned quickly and wanted the picture of the fish at the end of the day the angler played the fish so why distract from that

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    Just a question here for all, and this is down to pure lack of knowledge of facts concerning Salmon(well some of them any way!).
    But, who says Salmon become fertile when out of water for 30secs.(lets name names/scientific bodies etc.) and where are the hard indisputable facts and indeed where do these facts come from?,hard facts please, on the table!.
    It does strike me as odd that Salmon seem to be the only fish to suffer in this way, no mention of Sea Trout or any of the other Trout species or indeed a whole bundle of coarse fish too!, and there's plenty of them held out of water for a "hero" shot or two etc. etc.
    If indeed it is the case that once out of water for 30secs. then a fish cant genuinely contribute to the spawning process, then why are we putting them back?.If as we are regularly told Anglers maybe catch 25% of a rivers run at best, we'd be doing no harm taking them-would we?, the runs of fish are sustainable?.
    Sorry one and all, but I just don't believe that **** in any way at all, its another urban legend put about to get fish being SEEN to be put back in the water ASAP, no more, some ones "bright" idea, rather like banning terribles etc., no truth in it and does not the slightest of good(ok, no harm either!).The only fish that don't spawn successfully are dead ones, put them back and unless something else stops them or they are the last Salmon swimming, they'll spawn.
    I think more than anything what we need is truth-on all fronts.There's far far more contributing factors to Salars current plight than holding it out of water for a few seconds!,lets get real here.
    As far as I'm concerned Salar is one of the hardiest fish about, they go through a lot on the spawning journey., were they so delicate, nature would've seen to their demise by now over time!.
    I'm not advocating bad practice towards handling of Salar or any fish at all,we should by now be well enough educated in how we treat fish to either keep them(humanely despatched) or return them nice and slickly, but at the end of the day they're just another fish species(admittedly one we all have a great liking for!) and were they not so much of a cash cow to so many parties, the fishes plight could well be different!.
    I've handled and put back more fish(and species) than any Ghillie- any competent coarse fisher will most certainly have(forget the **** about Salmon being the only "Fish"), my fish handling skills and care are as good as any out there(ok, ok, might just suffer when it comes to the leviathans out there on a pure practise front!) and most Carp Anglers skills will be far and away better than a very large %age of Ghilles as they will have handled more and bigger fish a lot more regularly!.If my or any ones fish handling protocols are detrimental to fish species, I think Coarse fish would have shown the results of that many many years ago!.
    We need to be very very carefull, treat your captures with respect-most certainly, but elevate them to a higher status than merely another fish and we are in danger of placing Salmon in the "Cuddly,Fluffy" category ourselves, and then we won't get to fish for them, the Sunday Country warriors will see to that!.
    Feel free to chip in!.Pedro.

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