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    Does anyone know what will be the fish to fishermen ratio for the top 4 rivers be . Are you looking at hundreds of rods a day ,Just say the dee roughly how many rods will be fishing on an average day
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    Quote Originally Posted by auldsalmon View Post
    Does anyone know what will be the fish to fishermen ratio for the top 4 rivers be . Are you looking at hundreds of rods a day ,Just say the dee roughly how many rods will be fishing on an average day
    I read somewhere that the Dee has about 185 rods when all let, including upper Deeside.
    I would think there would only be 50 to 100 rods on just now.

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    How long is a piece of string. There are about 50 Beats on the Dee and with good water in April and May most of them will be fully let. Some fish 2 rods, some fish 12. Call it an average of 4 rods. How many rods will put in an 8 hour shift and how many will fish for a couple of hours and spend the rest of the day in the hut 'talking about fishing' (that was a euphemism)?.

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    It's always interested me this it gives you another view on how well a river is fishing

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    It's one of the great myths about salmon rivers. Many rivers describe themselves as the most productive in their pr, the Dee is still described as Scotland's top spring river. If you divide the catch by the rod effort you get a very different picture.

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    The North Esk is even worse!!!!

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    I was looking into the Lochy recently for June and compared it to last year.

    Approx 26 days x 16 rods was 416 fishing days for 27 fish, could go over a fortnight without catching a fish on those averages if you were unlucky.

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    This isn't a numbers game lads,if ye want big numbers take up stockie fishing,its nice to catch fish on a reasonable regular basis ,but,salmon fishing ,especially spring salmon fishing isn't all about catching fish.
    That's what makes spring salmon fishing the top of the pops in my book,its more about hope than certainty ,and when it all comes together,well , ya know the rest.
    and in August.... the barley grew up out of their graves

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    Quote Originally Posted by arrowloopboy View Post
    This isn't a numbers game lads,if ye want big numbers take up stockie fishing,its nice to catch fish on a reasonable regular basis ,but,salmon fishing ,especially spring salmon fishing isn't all about catching fish.
    That's what makes spring salmon fishing the top of the pops in my book,its more about hope than certainty ,and when it all comes together,well , ya know the rest.
    Here here.
    If you want numbers, fish for carp or stockies (heaven forbid)
    The reason we fish for salmon is the sense of achievement when we do manage to catch one.
    Plenty of doom and gloom merchants but there are still plenty of fish out there to catch. If you can't manage a few at least a season then maybe look closer to home. It's easy to just say they aren't there or almost extinct lol.
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    Overall, this is a thread about catch-per-unit effort, and shows how it's important.

    The problem with Scots data is that there is no real measure of effort therefore the OP question cannot really be answered, though you could cobble something together from Fishpal etc, it would be partial.

    Marketing and hype and promotion all have a hand to play. If paying for fishing you'd take the beat's productivity into account.

    Hendersyde (Tweed) gets 246 fish per-rod-per-season average whereas on Park (Dee) it’s 58 fish per-rod-per-season average.* The stats show that Hendersyde is also a much more prolific spring beat (rod for rod), if that's your bag.

    But don't forget (and how can we these two seasons past) there's bad years and good years. There's a wide range: Good years on Hendersyde have had figures of 331 salmon per rod, and the bad has been 105. For Park it's 73 fish per rod vs. 32. Huge ranges, in part reflecting the huge annual variation in returning salmon numbers.

    If you happened to fish the good years, you may well have a different outlook on the status of the salmon than if you just remember the bad...

    If your fishing is confined to the Tyne (last 5ya of EA data show 4.7 days to catch a salmon on average) rather than the Tees (15.2 days on average) you may also have different outlook on salmon stocks.

    In fact, in the EA strongholds of salmon (NE and NW regions) it averages about 1 salmon per 10 days...



    But, as above, it's not just a cold numbers game, and therefore agree with W&D.






    *based on fishpal 5ya
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