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23-03-2013 09:23 AM #21
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23-03-2013 09:27 AM #22
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- "Middle England"
my own switch on the Switch
I have handled and tried a hell of a lot of Switch rods,
perhaps it is my desire for fast action stiff rods,
but so many of them seem over-rated line wise?
perhaps it is just my horrible animal casting action............................................ ............
even when I pick up or try some rated 8/9 it seems they would struggle with an 8 with my casting,
some 6/7 rods are like a wet limp piece of celery.
more rod co's seem to have got it wrong on Switch rod actions than any other fly rod before,
in my own humble ever-contradictory opinion that is
there are a few new ones out I did not get hold of yet like the MacKenzie
but so far I have been disappointed and sold the last one I had after using it for just 1 day,
the 8/9 I got seemed to not handle the WF8 40+ lines I have got so many of................................................ .....................
perhaps this is just me,
but even if it is some must agree that some Switch rods seem to be line rated very "optimistically" by rod brands,
brands make all other styles of rod in fast or medium or slow,
why do most Switch rods seem to have a middle action?
you can overhead and spey/switch cast with other actions too,
(just as casting with a 15' rod- they are not all the same action are they?)
so I get Riverman's need for detailed info. as so far I gave up trying to get what I wanted from one.
I think if a faster/stiffer action Switch rod came onto the market it perhaps would sell quite well.
LGNo matter where I roam, I will return to my English Rose,
'cos no bonds can ever keep me from she...........................
23-03-2013 09:33 AM #23
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- Nov 2009
I use a 11ft 8wt zaxis, I use it with 420-435 compact heads from airflo and zpey... I use both overhead and Spey casts... For single hand casting I usually pull the head right to the reel before lifting works a treat but I'd usually only be casting 40-50ft on the rivers I fish... Here's a bit of a video I made a while back to give ya an idea of the rivers I use my switch on...
switch rod casting - YouTube
23-03-2013 12:48 PM #24
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23-03-2013 08:11 PM #27
You need to do a bit of tyre kicking at tackle shops and begging on the river mate.
"That's a nice switch outfit, was thinking of getting one, can I have a few casts mate"?...
Will give you an idea of what suits you and get a feel for certain outfits.
23-03-2013 10:17 PM #28
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- Oct 2007
Meiser may have invented the name, but the concept goes back a long way beyond that. I've cast an old Farlows rod which exactly matches the true switch concept - i.e. being designed to switch from single to two handed use - and indeed, with a moveable fitting that allows the reel to be positioned up or down the handle depending on how it is to be used, is arguably rather more versatile than the modern switch rods. I would guess it was made in the '50s, but it might be inter-war.
Also perhaps worth mentioning that I caught my first salmon on an 11' Hardy 'Wye'. From memory this cast an 8wt line (in those days DTs ruled so no quibbling about single or double handed ratings), but it was definitely designed as a light double hander, and I think you would have needed extrordinarily strong wrists to use it single handed. Again this would seem to accord with Meiser's definition of a switch rod quoted by An Griannach above, but is rather older than his efforts - my first fish was in 1974, and the rod was a long way from new then!
23-03-2013 10:26 PM #29
I still have an old Daiwa Osprey 11'6" 7 weight fiberglass rod with detachable fighting butt from circa 1979. I only cast it single handed with a double taper as a young teenager, my pride and joy at the time. Next time I'm home in Lewis I'm going to throw a modern head on it to see what happens.
Most likely be as good as my current Loop opti in my handsTo one who has roved on the mountains afar
Oh! For the crags that are wild and magestic
The steep frowning glories of dark Lochnagar.
24-03-2013 12:20 AM #30
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- Mar 2010
I'm certainly no casting expert but have cast a lot of switch rods.... most in fact. All double handed spey casting as in my opinion its too much of like hard work with the 1 hand .
Like, or possibly similar to leedsgarth I noticed that most seem soft actioned, bending right to the butt. Certainly not what I'm used too, however I wouldnt say any of them at all were wrongly rated? honestly, some were difficult for me to get to grips with, but eventually, from 6 to 8wt rods they all worked.
I'm probably telling granny how to suck eggs here, but the casting of them in my opinion does require a delicate touch........ and someone who knows their onions casting-wise watching you 1st off. If you are pushing a switch fast with power then its almost gauranteed you'l blow the anchor just before the forward stroke. Completely leaving the water with a sustained anchor or skipping with an airbourn cast. This gives the feeling of an unloaded rod and more weight being needed.
I think measured precise strokes are the order of the day with these rods, and as with big rods, timing is everything. To get a great delivery, a faster rod needs much more precise timing, and a truely fast action with a 10.5 - 11.5ft rod would be a nightmare in mere mortals ( like my) hands.
Just my thoughts.